Human remains found in wheel well of US military plane after desperate Afghans cling to aircraft.

There we are CP.

What a pity they are not Joe's....

He also left the women and men of the pkk, who fought isis in the theatre and not from the air- to their fate against the might of the Turkish army, after they had done all the hard graft.

True....I can't say I supported some of what he did.

I can't say that if you stay in these places for twenty years that up and leaving is going to be a net benefit.

Nope, I'll never be that guy who just supports a policy just because of political tribalism......I think Trump was wrong on this....America and the west in general are probably wrong on this.

I was probably wrong on this.....because twenty years ago I was a neo con....because I believed those arguments.

But I changed those opinions a long time ago.....once you stay there it's probably worse pulling out.....The Americans have bases all over the world and they haven't pulled out there have they.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2021 7.01pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Perhaps the slightest shred of good to come from this, and it is a tad self-regarding concerning how we all interact with each other, is there seems to be, grudgingly at times, a general consensus about the piss poor quality of political leadership, across the board, in the Western World at the moment.

We are all being played. That much is as clear as day to me. And we all come from a collective social class who have paid the real price, at least in terms of Western lives, for not only Afghanistan but every other insane Western interference in the matters of other countries.

I am sure that within a few days we would all have retreated to our usual trenches and be back lobbying the usual BS at each other, but on this terrible tragedy, there appears a political unity of a kind that offers at least a minuscule fraction of hope that perhaps we can be rid of this parasitical political class we have lumbered ourselves with if we all collectively acknowledge what a shower of utter f***wits they are and don't let that wisdom fade.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Yes, I was just thinking the same thing yesterday.

I was going to say Amen to that-but at the risk of upsetting any Taliban on here, withdrew my comment!