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Spiderman Horsham 16 Aug 18 7.51pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Well then, don’t state complete rubbish as though it’s truth to support such a provocative statement. Free speech is one thing but lazy, inaccurate attempts at discrediting others are another. You might not have a narrative but that post certainly feeds into one. Re. Hamza? I’ve no idea, and it’s an interesting question. One worth looking into the facts more fully this time. I hope you’ve never complained about ‘fake news’. As has been mentioned in this thread (and I agree) there are clearly failings within the Muslim community but equally that does not mean that by extension the whole organisation and community is complicit, turning a blind eye or not trying to solve the problem. I have taken you up on the idea. Hamza started preaching at Finsbury Park in 1997, the London Bombings took place in 2005! In 2003 he was removed from his post as Imam in Finsbury Park, by the Charity Commission. It was well known that he was preaching for a Caliphate,in support of Osama Bin Laden and for Sharia Law to be introduced. When was that statement from MCB published?
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Horsham 16 Aug 18 7.51pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Well then, don’t state complete rubbish as though it’s truth to support such a provocative statement. Free speech is one thing but lazy, inaccurate attempts at discrediting others are another. You might not have a narrative but that post certainly feeds into one.

Re. Hamza? I’ve no idea, and it’s an interesting question. One worth looking into the facts more fully this time. I hope you’ve never complained about ‘fake news’.

As has been mentioned in this thread (and I agree) there are clearly failings within the Muslim community but equally that does not mean that by extension the whole organisation and community is complicit, turning a blind eye or not trying to solve the problem.

I have taken you up on the idea. Hamza started preaching at Finsbury Park in 1997, the London Bombings took place in 2005! In 2003 he was removed from his post as Imam in Finsbury Park, by the Charity Commission. It was well known that he was preaching for a Caliphate,in support of Osama Bin Laden and for Sharia Law to be introduced. When was that statement from MCB published?

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 16 Aug 18 8.42pm
Originally posted by cryrst It is very relevant if it shows how muslims act and the way a large amount want the West to be. I can guarantee though that if you do let us know then the crusades and onwards to Iraq and Syria will be a justification in some eyes. Ah the ole sly cherry picker being wheeled out into the land of contextless reference to suit ones line of attack (although I’ll give you a point for actually remaining vaguely on topic) This is the problem with you boys. It is impossible to have a decent discussion because things are constantly being taken and misquoted, twisted or just plain forgotten. And that’s just your own points of view ¯\_(&#12484_/¯ For ref. *Note, CONTRIBUTING FACTOR not the SOLE CAUSE. Important to read, not scan. rolls eyes, yet again* (again)** Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 16 Aug 18 8.42pm

Originally posted by cryrst

It is very relevant if it shows how muslims act and the way a large amount want the West to be.
I can guarantee though that if you do let us know then the crusades and onwards to Iraq and Syria will be a justification in some eyes.

Ah the ole sly cherry picker being wheeled out into the land of contextless reference to suit ones line of attack (although I’ll give you a point for actually remaining vaguely on topic)

This is the problem with you boys. It is impossible to have a decent discussion because things are constantly being taken and misquoted, twisted or just plain forgotten. And that’s just your own points of view ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

For ref.

Note, CONTRIBUTING FACTOR not the SOLE CAUSE. Important to read, not scan. *rolls eyes, yet again* (again)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 16 Aug 18 9.10pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I have taken you up on the idea. Hamza started preaching at Finsbury Park in 1997, the London Bombings took place in 2005! In 2003 he was removed from his post as Imam in Finsbury Park, by the Charity Commission. It was well known that he was preaching for a Caliphate,in support of Osama Bin Laden and for Sharia Law to be introduced. When was that statement from MCB published? In the immediate aftermath of the 2005 attacks. As already highlighted, more than once, reference to the MCB and the bombings written as fact on p6 is wholly untrue, yet you stated it as fact, clearly with negative intention. ‘Maybe the Muslim Council of Britain should have spoken out to condemn the London bombings...’ Seeing as you’re unable to spend 30 seconds in order to cross reference your own statements see p6 for the report and screengrab showing all the Muslim organisation responses to that event. As a Brucie bonus, it includes the EU as well. I will also direct you here for further comment from the MCB [Link] If you perceive yourself as are right leaning, the irony here is delicious. I shouldn’t need to explain why. I will also say that as I know a lot of you are pretty touchy on here when challenged, this does not mean I think that the MCB are the best thing since sliced bread. This is just a call and response. Regarding Hamza, as stated above, I have no idea. That’s also part of your statement but the difference being it seems more like the truth after your follow up. Which is progress - and to respond, yes not good enough for the Muslim community at the time. If he had been brewing since 1995 something should have been done way way before that. They then had to pay the price for tolerating it or turning a blind eye (assumption, I’d need to do some reading). And you could argue they’re still paying now, to some extent. The problem is once you post something with such conviction as though it is fact and it actually turns out to be a lie, it’s not always easy for others to accept what you say, and greatly reduces your credibility. Especially when debating such sensitive and complex issues where truth and context are so important. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 16 Aug 18 9.10pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

In the immediate aftermath of the 2005 attacks.

As already highlighted, more than once, reference to the MCB and the bombings written as fact on p6 is wholly untrue, yet you stated it as fact, clearly with negative intention.

‘Maybe the Muslim Council of Britain should have spoken out to condemn the London bombings...’

Seeing as you’re unable to spend 30 seconds in order to cross reference your own statements see p6 for the report and screengrab showing all the Muslim organisation responses to that event. As a Brucie bonus, it includes the EU as well. I will also direct you here for further comment from the MCB [Link]

If you perceive yourself as are right leaning, the irony here is delicious. I shouldn’t need to explain why.

I will also say that as I know a lot of you are pretty touchy on here when challenged, this does not mean I think that the MCB are the best thing since sliced bread. This is just a call and response.

Regarding Hamza, as stated above, I have no idea. That’s also part of your statement but the difference being it seems more like the truth after your follow up. Which is progress - and to respond, yes not good enough for the Muslim community at the time.

If he had been brewing since 1995 something should have been done way way before that. They then had to pay the price for tolerating it or turning a blind eye (assumption, I’d need to do some reading). And you could argue they’re still paying now, to some extent.

The problem is once you post something with such conviction as though it is fact and it actually turns out to be a lie, it’s not always easy for others to accept what you say, and greatly reduces your credibility. Especially when debating such sensitive and complex issues where truth and context are so important.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Spiderman Horsham 16 Aug 18 9.28pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC In the immediate aftermath of the 2005 attacks. As already highlighted, more than once, reference to the MCB and the bombings written as fact on p6 is wholly untrue, yet you stated it as fact, clearly with negative intention. ‘Maybe the Muslim Council of Britain should have spoken out to condemn the London bombings...’ Seeing as you’re unable to spend 30 seconds in order to cross reference your own statements see p6 for the report and screengrab showing all the Muslim organisation responses to that event. As a Brucie bonus, it includes the EU as well. I will also direct you here for further comment from the MCB [Link] If you perceive yourself as are right leaning, the irony here is delicious. I shouldn’t need to explain why. I will also say that as I know a lot of you are pretty touchy on here when challenged, this does not mean I think that the MCB are the best thing since sliced bread. This is just a call and response. Regarding Hamza, as stated above, I have no idea. That’s also part of your statement but the difference being it seems more like the truth after your follow up. Which is progress - and to respond, yes not good enough for the Muslim community at the time. If he had been brewing since 1995 something should have been done way way before that. They then had to pay the price for tolerating it or turning a blind eye (assumption, I’d need to do some reading). And you could argue they’re still paying now, to some extent. The problem is once you post something with such conviction as though it is fact and it actually turns out to be a lie, it’s not always easy for others to accept what you say, and greatly reduces your credibility. Especially when debating such sensitive and complex issues where truth and context are so important. Not sure I was being touchy, I said I was not aware of the statement, if my credibilty by this is greatly reduced,so be it. Still I could now say the s*** hit the fan in 2005 and they had not chosen to stop his preaching prior to this, which as you say something should have been done by them. By the way I do not consider myself as right leaning, in fact, ironically I do not like to get involved in politics.
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Horsham 16 Aug 18 9.28pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

In the immediate aftermath of the 2005 attacks.

As already highlighted, more than once, reference to the MCB and the bombings written as fact on p6 is wholly untrue, yet you stated it as fact, clearly with negative intention.

‘Maybe the Muslim Council of Britain should have spoken out to condemn the London bombings...’

If you perceive yourself as are right leaning, the irony here is delicious. I shouldn’t need to explain why.

I will also say that as I know a lot of you are pretty touchy on here when challenged, this does not mean I think that the MCB are the best thing since sliced bread. This is just a call and response.

Not sure I was being touchy, I said I was not aware of the statement, if my credibilty by this is greatly reduced,so be it. Still I could now say the s*** hit the fan in 2005 and they had not chosen to stop his preaching prior to this, which as you say something should have been done by them. By the way I do not consider myself as right leaning, in fact, ironically I do not like to get involved in politics.

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Spiderman Horsham 16 Aug 18 9.31pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC In the immediate aftermath of the 2005 attacks. As already highlighted, more than once, reference to the MCB and the bombings written as fact on p6 is wholly untrue, yet you stated it as fact, clearly with negative intention. ‘Maybe the Muslim Council of Britain should have spoken out to condemn the London bombings...’ Seeing as you’re unable to spend 30 seconds in order to cross reference your own statements see p6 for the report and screengrab showing all the Muslim organisation responses to that event. As a Brucie bonus, it includes the EU as well. I will also direct you here for further comment from the MCB [Link] If you perceive yourself as are right leaning, the irony here is delicious. I shouldn’t need to explain why. I will also say that as I know a lot of you are pretty touchy on here when challenged, this does not mean I think that the MCB are the best thing since sliced bread. This is just a call and response. Regarding Hamza, as stated above, I have no idea. That’s also part of your statement but the difference being it seems more like the truth after your follow up. Which is progress - and to respond, yes not good enough for the Muslim community at the time. If he had been brewing since 1995 something should have been done way way before that. They then had to pay the price for tolerating it or turning a blind eye (assumption, I’d need to do some reading). And you could argue they’re still paying now, to some extent. The problem is once you post something with such conviction as though it is fact and it actually turns out to be a lie, it’s not always easy for others to accept what you say, and greatly reduces your credibility. Especially when debating such sensitive and complex issues where truth and context are so important. To be pedantic, as a Brucie Bonus, if you care to take a few seconds to read my post I said 1997
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Horsham 16 Aug 18 9.31pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

In the immediate aftermath of the 2005 attacks.

As already highlighted, more than once, reference to the MCB and the bombings written as fact on p6 is wholly untrue, yet you stated it as fact, clearly with negative intention.

‘Maybe the Muslim Council of Britain should have spoken out to condemn the London bombings...’

If you perceive yourself as are right leaning, the irony here is delicious. I shouldn’t need to explain why.

I will also say that as I know a lot of you are pretty touchy on here when challenged, this does not mean I think that the MCB are the best thing since sliced bread. This is just a call and response.

If he had been brewing since 1995 something should have been done way way before that. They then had to pay the price for tolerating it or turning a blind eye (assumption, I’d need to do some reading). And you could argue they’re still paying now, to some extent.

To be pedantic, as a Brucie Bonus, if you care to take a few seconds to read my post I said 1997

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Spiderman Horsham 16 Aug 18 9.52pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Ah the ole sly cherry picker being wheeled out into the land of contextless reference to suit ones line of attack (although I’ll give you a point for actually remaining vaguely on topic) This is the problem with you boys. It is impossible to have a decent discussion because things are constantly being taken and misquoted, twisted or just plain forgotten. And that’s just your own points of view ¯\_(&#12484_/¯ For ref. *Note, CONTRIBUTING FACTOR not the SOLE CAUSE. Important to read, not scan. rolls eyes, yet again* (again)** Who is being patronising now? (cross reference to your post of 8.28 yesterday)
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Horsham 16 Aug 18 9.52pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Ah the ole sly cherry picker being wheeled out into the land of contextless reference to suit ones line of attack (although I’ll give you a point for actually remaining vaguely on topic)

This is the problem with you boys. It is impossible to have a decent discussion because things are constantly being taken and misquoted, twisted or just plain forgotten. And that’s just your own points of view ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

For ref.

Note, CONTRIBUTING FACTOR not the SOLE CAUSE. Important to read, not scan. *rolls eyes, yet again* (again)

Who is being patronising now? (cross reference to your post of 8.28 yesterday)

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 16 Aug 18 10.23pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Who is being patronising now? (cross reference to your post of 8.28 yesterday) 1995 - 1997, noted. Read through the post many times but it obviously didn’t stick. Thankfully an error made on a point of agreement Patronising - maybe, if you see me as superior (joke). In all seriousness, it happens a lot. Serial lack of thread awareness. If that came across as patronising, I apologise Re. Touchy - that was not specific to you, ‘twas a generalist point. There are a lot of people that find it hard to climb down, agree or admit mistakes on here because of blind faith and allegiance to a ‘side’. Which doesn’t help if you’re tying to have a proper debate. I have some reading on hamza to do! Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 16 Aug 18 10.23pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Who is being patronising now? (cross reference to your post of 8.28 yesterday)

1995 - 1997, noted. Read through the post many times but it obviously didn’t stick. Thankfully an error made on a point of agreement

Patronising - maybe, if you see me as superior (joke). In all seriousness, it happens a lot. Serial lack of thread awareness. If that came across as patronising, I apologise

Re. Touchy - that was not specific to you, ‘twas a generalist point. There are a lot of people that find it hard to climb down, agree or admit mistakes on here because of blind faith and allegiance to a ‘side’. Which doesn’t help if you’re tying to have a proper debate.

I have some reading on hamza to do!

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Park Road 17 Aug 18 5.03am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC 1995 - 1997, noted. Read through the post many times but it obviously didn’t stick. Thankfully an error made on a point of agreement Patronising - maybe, if you see me as superior (joke). In all seriousness, it happens a lot. Serial lack of thread awareness. If that came across as patronising, I apologise Re. Touchy - that was not specific to you, ‘twas a generalist point. There are a lot of people that find it hard to climb down, agree or admit mistakes on here because of blind faith and allegiance to a ‘side’. Which doesn’t help if you’re tying to have a proper debate. I have some reading on hamza to do! A statistic is just a number. And numbers are as easily manipulatable, incomplete, and misleading as words are. But they’re more dangerous than words, because numbers are associated with math, and math is associated with fact. But facts are something special. Facts are complete and unbiased enough to tell you something relevant to understanding the past or predicting the future. They don’t care about your goals. They’re uninterested in your politics. They’re not trying to tell your story. They don’t have quarterly earnings expectations to meet. They drown themselves in context and explain blunt-force reality in all its glory. You suggested, that facts and statistics are the same. I suggest, you read the dictionary before attempting Hamza. You said, someone presented a fact, that was made up - to try and prove that the two words are the same. This SW19cpfc is called a lie. Lies=not telling the truth, which therefore is the opposite of fact. All the above is called - common sense or fact whichever you like, something you believe is not important in a debate. Not understanding English vocabulary, is something to learn and will help you when debating. So,and I can't stress this more, but before you pick up a book on Hamza - try the dictionary first. Sorry to have to repeat this, but when dealing with someone who thinks common sense is irrelevant - well you know what I mean. I'm sure your big enough to admit I'm right and you are wrong about the differences of those two words, and will gladly say so, according to your philosophy. Edited by Park Road (17 Aug 2018 5.06am) Edited by Park Road (17 Aug 2018 5.09am) Edited by Park Road (17 Aug 2018 5.12am) Edited by Park Road (17 Aug 2018 5.27am) Edited by Park Road (17 Aug 2018 6.50am)
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17 Aug 18 5.03am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

1995 - 1997, noted. Read through the post many times but it obviously didn’t stick. Thankfully an error made on a point of agreement

Patronising - maybe, if you see me as superior (joke). In all seriousness, it happens a lot. Serial lack of thread awareness. If that came across as patronising, I apologise

Re. Touchy - that was not specific to you, ‘twas a generalist point. There are a lot of people that find it hard to climb down, agree or admit mistakes on here because of blind faith and allegiance to a ‘side’. Which doesn’t help if you’re tying to have a proper debate.

I have some reading on hamza to do!

A statistic is just a number. And numbers are as easily manipulatable, incomplete, and misleading as words are. But they’re more dangerous than words, because numbers are associated with math, and math is associated with fact.

But facts are something special. Facts are complete and unbiased enough to tell you something relevant to understanding the past or predicting the future. They don’t care about your goals. They’re uninterested in your politics. They’re not trying to tell your story. They don’t have quarterly earnings expectations to meet. They drown themselves in context and explain blunt-force reality in all its glory.

You suggested, that facts and statistics are the same.
I suggest, you read the dictionary before attempting Hamza.

You said, someone presented a fact, that was made up - to try and prove that the two words are the same.

This SW19cpfc is called a lie.
Lies=not telling the truth, which therefore is the opposite of fact.

All the above is called - common sense or fact whichever you like, something you believe is not important in a debate.

Not understanding English vocabulary, is something to learn and will help you when debating.

So,and I can't stress this more, but before you pick up a book on Hamza - try the dictionary first. Sorry to have to repeat this, but when dealing with someone who thinks common sense is irrelevant - well you know what I mean.

I'm sure your big enough to admit I'm right and you are wrong about the differences of those two words, and will gladly say so, according to your philosophy.

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cryrst The garden of England 17 Aug 18 8.48am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Ah the ole sly cherry picker being wheeled out into the land of contextless reference to suit ones line of attack (although I’ll give you a point for actually remaining vaguely on topic) This is the problem with you boys. It is impossible to have a decent discussion because things are constantly being taken and misquoted, twisted or just plain forgotten. And that’s just your own points of view ¯\_(&#12484_/¯ For ref. *Note, CONTRIBUTING FACTOR not the SOLE CAUSE. Important to read, not scan. rolls eyes, yet again* (again)** Ummm If you read the previous(and there are many) threads which include terror and Islam. All of them including TR.gang rapes.syria and many more then these points are rolled out as justification. So it's not really contextless. My line of attack is for the muslims among us to stop killing and bombing. What reason have they got for doing it? I reckon you won't be able to answer that unless you think there is a justification and what that could be!
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The garden of England 17 Aug 18 8.48am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Ah the ole sly cherry picker being wheeled out into the land of contextless reference to suit ones line of attack (although I’ll give you a point for actually remaining vaguely on topic)

For ref.

Note, CONTRIBUTING FACTOR not the SOLE CAUSE. Important to read, not scan. *rolls eyes, yet again* (again)

Ummm
If you read the previous(and there are many) threads which include terror and Islam.
All of them including TR.gang rapes.syria and many more then these points are rolled out as justification.
So it's not really contextless.
My line of attack is for the muslims among us to stop killing and bombing.
What reason have they got for doing it?
I reckon you won't be able to answer that unless you think there is a justification and what that could be!

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Aug 18 7.58pm
This 'terror' attack neither removed any cyclists from the road or hurt any MPs. Worst terror attack ever. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Aug 18 7.58pm

This 'terror' attack neither removed any cyclists from the road or hurt any MPs. Worst terror attack ever.

Red and Blue Army!

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.TUX. 17 Aug 18 8.36pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC This 'terror' attack neither removed any cyclists from the road or hurt any MPs. Worst terror attack ever. Agreed. But you can't stop the wheels that have been in motion (for how many years now?) labeling any given event as 'teerrrooor'........! Strange times. Buy Litecoin.
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17 Aug 18 8.36pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

This 'terror' attack neither removed any cyclists from the road or hurt any MPs. Worst terror attack ever.

Agreed.
But you can't stop the wheels that have been in motion (for how many years now?) labeling any given event as 'teerrrooor'........!

Strange times.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 17 Aug 18 9.30pm
Originally posted by Park Road A statistic is just a number. And numbers are as easily manipulatable, incomplete, and misleading as words are. But they’re more dangerous than words, because numbers are associated with math, and math is associated with fact. But facts are something special. Facts are complete and unbiased enough to tell you something relevant to understanding the past or predicting the future. They don’t care about your goals. They’re uninterested in your politics. They’re not trying to tell your story. They don’t have quarterly earnings expectations to meet. They drown themselves in context and explain blunt-force reality in all its glory. You suggested, that facts and statistics are the same. I suggest, you read the dictionary before attempting Hamza. You said, someone presented a fact, that was made up - to try and prove that the two words are the same. This SW19cpfc is called a lie. Lies=not telling the truth, which therefore is the opposite of fact. All the above is called - common sense or fact whichever you like, something you believe is not important in a debate. Not understanding English vocabulary, is something to learn and will help you when debating. So,and I can't stress this more, but before you pick up a book on Hamza - try the dictionary first. Sorry to have to repeat this, but when dealing with someone who thinks common sense is irrelevant - well you know what I mean. I'm sure your big enough to admit I'm right and you are wrong about the differences of those two words, and will gladly say so, according to your philosophy. Edited by Park Road (17 Aug 2018 5.06am) Edited by Park Road (17 Aug 2018 5.09am) Edited by Park Road (17 Aug 2018 5.12am) Edited by Park Road (17 Aug 2018 5.27am) Edited by Park Road (17 Aug 2018 6.50am) Er Try re-reading the thread. Cheers Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 17 Aug 18 9.30pm

Originally posted by Park Road

You suggested, that facts and statistics are the same.
I suggest, you read the dictionary before attempting Hamza.

You said, someone presented a fact, that was made up - to try and prove that the two words are the same.

This SW19cpfc is called a lie.
Lies=not telling the truth, which therefore is the opposite of fact.

All the above is called - common sense or fact whichever you like, something you believe is not important in a debate.

Not understanding English vocabulary, is something to learn and will help you when debating.

I'm sure your big enough to admit I'm right and you are wrong about the differences of those two words, and will gladly say so, according to your philosophy.

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Try re-reading the thread.

Cheers

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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