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 Goldfiinger  Just down the road 19 Nov 17 9.03pm |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
I pointed out earlier that the definition of persistent infringement in Law 12 includes persistent infringement by a team. It deals with a situation where a team's players take it in turns to foul a single player (e.g. Wilf) and provides for the ref to card the fourth player to foul him in a short space of time even though the previous fouls were committed by other players. Have a look here in particular from post 17 onwards and the reference to David Elleray's advice.
'A "Persistent infringent" caution is based at an individual player NOT a collective foul count across the team and there is no specific number that equates to it.' ... he was talking bollocks. Edited by chateauferret (19 Nov 2017 8.55pm)
My next question was gonna be, hasn't the ref got any tools in his arsenal to stop a team fouling on average every 3 minutes. But i think you answered the question. He clearly has the tools at his disposal but for some reason didn't want to use them. The club IMO really needs to call the PL out on this on going issue, I can not imagine for the life of me we'd get away with doing this to Man City. Especially as you have kindly pointed out there are laws in place to punish teams doing it. [quote=David Elleray] Referees have always been told to look out for a team tactic where different players foul the same opponent. The advice is that the captain is warned then the next player can be cautioned not for persistent misconduct but for unsporting behaviour. Edited by Goldfiinger (19 Nov 2017 9.11pm)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Nov 17 9.07pm |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
My next question was gonna be, hasn't the ref got any tools in his arsenal to stop a team fouling on average every 3 minutes. But i think you answered the question. He clearly has the tools at his disposal but for some reason didn't want to use them. The club IMO really needs to call the PL out on this on going issue, I can not imagine for the life of me we'd get away with doing this to Man City. Especially as you have kindly pointed out there are laws in place to punish teams doing it. Very easy call the captain over and say next foul in the next five minutes gets a yellow. So simple, especially as he has the 'authority' to do it! There are no "Rules" there are "Laws". But clearly there are those who believe that "Persistent infringement" cautions are issued after a set number of fouls committed across the team.I am happy to inform you otherwise.
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| gerry theagle newbury 19 Nov 17 9.10pm |
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This has developed into another Willo ego trip give it a rest lads he is like an old record,gets so boring you wished you never heard it in the first place.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Nov 17 9.10pm |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
My next question was gonna be, hasn't the ref got any tools in his arsenal to stop a team fouling on average every 3 minutes. But i think you answered the question. He clearly has the tools at his disposal but for some reason didn't want to use them. The club IMO really needs to call the PL out on this on going issue, I can not imagine for the life of me we'd get away with doing this to Man City. Especially as you have kindly pointed out there are laws in place to punish teams doing it. Very easy call the captain over and say next foul in the next five minutes gets a yellow. So simple, especially as he has the 'authority' to do it! So the "Next foul" is committed by a player who hasn't committed a foul before and he gets issued a "Yellow" based on the number of fouls committed by the team ?
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 19 Nov 17 9.11pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
There are no "Rules" there are "Laws". But clearly there are those who believe that "Persistent infringement" cautions are issued after a set number of fouls committed across the team.I am happy to inform you otherwise. It seems that you are unable or unwilling to answer a straight question with a simple yes or no answer so for that reason I am out!!!
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 19 Nov 17 9.13pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
But clearly there are those who believe that "Persistent infringement" cautions are issued after a set number of fouls committed across the team.I am happy to inform you otherwise. How come the team wasn't warned for unsporting behavior and booked for that instead? Surely that's the relevant rule/law you should be informing us about.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Nov 17 9.18pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
It seems that you are unable or unwilling to answer a straight question with a simple yes or no answer so for that reason I am out!!! I have responded to a number of the points on here and set the record straight about the Law relating to "Persistent infringement". Seemingly some believe that after a set number of fouls either the whole team should be booked or the player who commits the next foul should be booked even if this was his first foul.Ridiculous.
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 19 Nov 17 9.19pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
It seems that you are unable or unwilling to answer a straight question with a simple yes or no answer so for that reason I am out!!! Feed the troll and at some point he'll trip over his own tripe....
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Nov 17 9.20pm |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Feed the troll and at some point he'll trip over his own tripe.... How ironic that you used the word "Tripe" given the content of your post.
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 19 Nov 17 9.22pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I have responded to a number of the points on here and set the record straight about the Law relating to "Persistent infringement". Seemingly some believe that after a set number of fouls either the whole team should be booked or the player who commits the next foul should be booked even if this was his first foul.Ridiculous. Unsporting behavior - look it up. It can be used at the discretion of the referee to caution a player when he believes the team is targeting a player and rotating the fouls. But you knew this from your training, right?
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 19 Nov 17 9.23pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
How ironic that you used the word "Tripe" given the content of your post.
You're only making yourself look like a mug.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Nov 17 9.24pm |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Unsporting behavior - look it up. It can be used at the discretion of the referee to caution a player when he believes the team is targeting a player and rotating the fouls. But you knew this from your training, right? You seriously suggesting that a player can be booked for "Unsporting beahaviour" for his first foul based on the fact that this followed a series of fouls spread across the team ? Edited by Willo (19 Nov 2017 9.24pm)
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