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hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Nov 17 12.16pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Proportional representation - make votes count, not where you live count. Too many parties are fked over in terms of seats, despite achieving reasonable returns nationally (notably this has been the Green Party and UKIP primarily). If 3% of the public vote BNP, then that 3% deserve representation in parliament - even if I think they're cts. The problem with PR is you end up with endless coalitions. Some might say that's not a bad thing, but ask Liberals what they thought of their party in coalition with the Tories. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 09 Nov 17 12.16pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Proportional representation - make votes count, not where you live count. Too many parties are f**ked over in terms of seats, despite achieving reasonable returns nationally (notably this has been the Green Party and UKIP primarily). If 3% of the public vote BNP, then that 3% deserve representation in parliament - even if I think they're c**ts.

The problem with PR is you end up with endless coalitions. Some might say that's not a bad thing, but ask Liberals what they thought of their party in coalition with the Tories.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Stirlingsays 09 Nov 17 12.16pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Proportional representation - make votes count, not where you live count. Too many parties are fked over in terms of seats, despite achieving reasonable returns nationally (notably this has been the Green Party and UKIP primarily). If 3% of the public vote BNP, then that 3% deserve representation in parliament - even if I think they're cts. Proportional representation is more democratic, that's always been the case.....but it's a useless system for getting anything done. It's the compromise system of government that metaphorically designs donkeys to do the job of horses. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

09 Nov 17 12.16pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Proportional representation is more democratic, that's always been the case.....but it's a useless system for getting anything done.

It's the compromise system of government that metaphorically designs donkeys to do the job of horses.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Jamesey Wandsworth 09 Nov 17 12.33pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I think that Boris should be sacked from the Government so that he could go back to doing what he does best - guest panellist on Have I Got News For You I think he was usually chairman actually, Midlands. I regret to say he was regularly the butt of the panellists and wasn't particularly good at it despite having all his jokes on autocue. Neverthless, however much he is slagged off by lefties he has something singularly lacking bt the rest of May's bunch - charisma. Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious
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Jamesey

Wandsworth 09 Nov 17 12.33pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I think that Boris should be sacked from the Government so that he could go back to doing what he does best - guest panellist on Have I Got News For You

I think he was usually chairman actually, Midlands. I regret to say he was regularly the butt of the panellists and wasn't particularly good at it despite having all his jokes on autocue.

Neverthless, however much he is slagged off by lefties he has something singularly lacking bt the rest of May's bunch - charisma.

Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious

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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Nov 17 12.59pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The problem with PR is you end up with endless coalitions. Some might say that's not a bad thing, but ask Liberals what they thought of their party in coalition with the Tories. I expect my politicians to be able to discuss and compromise, whilst representing their constituents. They're adults, and should be capable of establishing policy based all the people they're representing, rather than just those who voted for them. My only issue with the Lib Dems was that they buckled for the Alternative Vote, rather than holding out for proportional representation. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Nov 17 12.59pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The problem with PR is you end up with endless coalitions. Some might say that's not a bad thing, but ask Liberals what they thought of their party in coalition with the Tories.

I expect my politicians to be able to discuss and compromise, whilst representing their constituents. They're adults, and should be capable of establishing policy based all the people they're representing, rather than just those who voted for them.

My only issue with the Lib Dems was that they buckled for the Alternative Vote, rather than holding out for proportional representation.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Nov 17 1.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Proportional representation is more democratic, that's always been the case.....but it's a useless system for getting anything done. It's the compromise system of government that metaphorically designs donkeys to do the job of horses. That's pretty much the problem of democracy. Its fairer than a dictatorship, but its a useless system for getting anything done. One can argue that the harder it is to get something done, the more representative your political system is Although that said, plenty of countries do seem to manage with a system of proportional representation. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Nov 17 1.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Proportional representation is more democratic, that's always been the case.....but it's a useless system for getting anything done.

It's the compromise system of government that metaphorically designs donkeys to do the job of horses.

That's pretty much the problem of democracy. Its fairer than a dictatorship, but its a useless system for getting anything done. One can argue that the harder it is to get something done, the more representative your political system is

Although that said, plenty of countries do seem to manage with a system of proportional representation.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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beak croydon 09 Nov 17 2.47pm
Originally posted by Jamesey Enough is certainly enough, Nick. Give it a rest. Stifling debate a sure sign that the current Government's supporters realise what an unholy mess is now unfolding. Boris saying a tourist was training reporters erroneously. A minister meeting the Israel's without permission,M.P.s and Minister caught up misbehaving In a salacious way.The Paradise Papers revealing that Ashcroft (A Tory peer) had promised to sort out his tax status and actually did not.The litany of disasters continues but we are not allowed to talk about it.
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beak

croydon 09 Nov 17 2.47pm

Originally posted by Jamesey

Enough is certainly enough, Nick. Give it a rest.

Stifling debate a sure sign that the current Government's supporters realise what an unholy mess is now unfolding. Boris saying a tourist was training reporters erroneously. A minister meeting the Israel's without permission,M.P.s and Minister caught up misbehaving In a salacious way.The Paradise Papers revealing that Ashcroft (A Tory peer) had promised to sort out his tax status and actually did not.The litany of disasters continues but we are not allowed to talk about it.

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Mapletree Croydon 09 Nov 17 2.58pm
OK, so you would do with the fragrant Priti But would you with Penny Mordaunt? And by the way, would Diane Abbott be viewed in a different light if she looked like Priti? Should Nick have a whip round for gym membership and some cosmetic surgery? Edited by Mapletree (09 Nov 2017 3.00pm)
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Mapletree

Croydon 09 Nov 17 2.58pm

OK, so you would do with the fragrant Priti

But would you with Penny Mordaunt?

And by the way, would Diane Abbott be viewed in a different light if she looked like Priti? Should Nick have a whip round for gym membership and some cosmetic surgery?

Edited by Mapletree (09 Nov 2017 3.00pm)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Nov 17 3.05pm
Originally posted by beak Stifling debate a sure sign that the current Government's supporters realise what an unholy mess is now unfolding. Boris saying a tourist was training reporters erroneously. A minister meeting the Israel's without permission,M.P.s and Minister caught up misbehaving In a salacious way.The Paradise Papers revealing that Ashcroft (A Tory peer) had promised to sort out his tax status and actually did not.The litany of disasters continues but we are not allowed to talk about it. Meanwhile Labour leaders are committing suicide, celebrating the communist Russian revolution and Labour councils are avoiding paying tax. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 09 Nov 17 3.05pm

Originally posted by beak

Meanwhile Labour leaders are committing suicide, celebrating the communist Russian revolution and Labour councils are avoiding paying tax.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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beak croydon 09 Nov 17 3.20pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Meanwhile Labour leaders are committing suicide, celebrating the communist Russian revolution and Labour councils are avoiding paying tax. That is not the point,Labour are not In power the Conservatives are and they are making dreadful mistakes and misjudging the public mood concerning standards IN OFFICE.
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beak

croydon 09 Nov 17 3.20pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Meanwhile Labour leaders are committing suicide, celebrating the communist Russian revolution and Labour councils are avoiding paying tax.

That is not the point,Labour are not In power the Conservatives are and they are making dreadful mistakes and misjudging the public mood concerning standards IN OFFICE.

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Midlands Eagle 09 Nov 17 3.28pm
Originally posted by beak That is not the point,Labour are not In power the Conservatives are and they are making dreadful mistakes and misjudging the public mood concerning standards IN OFFICE. At least Mrs May hasn't discovered some fictitious weapons of mass destruction and sent the troops to war in a foreign country
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09 Nov 17 3.28pm

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Originally posted by beak

That is not the point,Labour are not In power the Conservatives are and they are making dreadful mistakes and misjudging the public mood concerning standards IN OFFICE.

At least Mrs May hasn't discovered some fictitious weapons of mass destruction and sent the troops to war in a foreign country

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 09 Nov 17 3.36pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Unlike Labour who promote their sex pests to the Shadow Cabinet BOOOOM. Answer that one Gusset "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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dannyh

wherever I lay my hat....... 09 Nov 17 3.36pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Unlike Labour who promote their sex pests to the Shadow Cabinet

BOOOOM.

Answer that one Gusset

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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Bexley Eagle Bexley Kent 09 Nov 17 3.42pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I agree with Nick, the current government are a lumbering shambles, desperately hanging on to a leader they didn't want, trying to survive the slings and arrows of misfortune and lack a cohesion of a leader that appears out of her depth (and in fairness she seems to have to deal with a lot of very different matters, without the assurance of being able to get policy through parliament). The only reason she's still leader is that no one wants to be the prime minister responsible for Brexit - which is looking like its going to go badly for the UK - certainly the conservatives running that show don't seem to inspire any confidence that its going well, but I think they were also on a hiding to nothing in having to negotiate an exit without any serious consequences for the UK (there would always be consequences for the UK from leaving the EU, no matter how much bravado got talked up). The problem is of course no one talked about consequences on the leave campaign, except to dismiss them as remainer nonsense, whilst no one on the remain campaign talked about consequences of staying except to dismiss them as brexiter nonsense. So you now have a situation where the expectation is to deliver on unrealistic expectations. The trouble is there isn't a viable alternative.
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Bexley Eagle

Bexley Kent 09 Nov 17 3.42pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I agree with Nick, the current government are a lumbering shambles, desperately hanging on to a leader they didn't want, trying to survive the slings and arrows of misfortune and lack a cohesion of a leader that appears out of her depth (and in fairness she seems to have to deal with a lot of very different matters, without the assurance of being able to get policy through parliament).

The only reason she's still leader is that no one wants to be the prime minister responsible for Brexit - which is looking like its going to go badly for the UK - certainly the conservatives running that show don't seem to inspire any confidence that its going well, but I think they were also on a hiding to nothing in having to negotiate an exit without any serious consequences for the UK (there would always be consequences for the UK from leaving the EU, no matter how much bravado got talked up).

The problem is of course no one talked about consequences on the leave campaign, except to dismiss them as remainer nonsense, whilst no one on the remain campaign talked about consequences of staying except to dismiss them as brexiter nonsense.

So you now have a situation where the expectation is to deliver on unrealistic expectations.

The trouble is there isn't a viable alternative.

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