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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Sep 17 3.50pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The Jessie Owens card again. He was running in Nazi Germany. To compare that to now is insulting to the democracy we enjoy. These protests have no rationality or aim behind them. They would be better campaigning against gang culture or drug dealing which are significant instead of tokenism. So we can all protest at football matches or any place of employment when it takes our fancy? Are you sure you want to go with that? No one is stopping you. I've stood on picket lines. I've also refused to cross picket lines. Why do you not think those taking industrial action against an employer should not be allowed to organise and deminstrate at work. Can I tick off another box in my eye spy fascist book?
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Shizzlehurst 26 Sep 17 3.50pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The Jessie Owens card again. He was running in Nazi Germany. To compare that to now is insulting to the democracy we enjoy.
These protests have no rationality or aim behind them. They would be better campaigning against gang culture or drug dealing which are significant instead of tokenism.

So we can all protest at football matches or any place of employment when it takes our fancy?

Are you sure you want to go with that?

No one is stopping you. I've stood on picket lines. I've also refused to cross picket lines. Why do you not think those taking industrial action against an employer should not be allowed to organise and deminstrate at work.

Can I tick off another box in my eye spy fascist book?

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Sep 17 3.50pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm afraid you have used that word once too often. Go play on your own. Not being funny, but that is how you come across sometimes.
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Shizzlehurst 26 Sep 17 3.50pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm afraid you have used that word once too often.

Go play on your own.

Not being funny, but that is how you come across sometimes.

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Ray in Houston Houston 26 Sep 17 3.51pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You are exibiting bias in this instance and ignoring my point entirely. Trump is the President. He can say what he likes if he considers it appropriate because he is an elected politician. Freedom of speech is a privilege that should not be abused by those who just happen to have mass exposure. Everyone is entitled to voice an opinion but not to take advantage of their position for political gain. So Trump is entitled to say what he likes but everyone else has to be careful not to abuse their "privilege"? Holy f*ing s, that's so wrong. Here's another bit of the U.S. Constitution for you; it's the 1st Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. When people talk about "freedom of speech" the right establish here is what they're referring to. The government* can't tell you what to say or what not to say, so when the President - who is the head of the government - tries to impinge upon, say, an NFL player's right to take a knee (the Supreme Court having long established that such an act is considered "speech") he is potentially violating that player's protected rights under the 1st Amendment). So, in reality, Trump is limited in what he can say while I, Colin Kaepernick and every other person in the United States can say pretty much whatever the f* they like (this right having been adjudicated as not extending to dangerously inflammatory speech, like shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theatre). Edited by Ray in Houston (26 Sep 2017 3.52pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just waing with a football.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You are exibiting bias in this instance and ignoring my point entirely.

Trump is the President. He can say what he likes if he considers it appropriate because he is an elected politician.

Freedom of speech is a privilege that should not be abused by those who just happen to have mass exposure. Everyone is entitled to voice an opinion but not to take advantage of their position for political gain.

So Trump is entitled to say what he likes but everyone else has to be careful not to abuse their "privilege"? Holy f***ing s***, that's so wrong.

Here's another bit of the U.S. Constitution for you; it's the 1st Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

When people talk about "freedom of speech" the right establish here is what they're referring to. The government can't tell you what to say or what not to say, so when the President - who is the head of the government - tries to impinge upon, say, an NFL player's right to take a knee (the Supreme Court having long established that such an act is considered "speech") he is potentially violating that player's protected rights under the 1st Amendment).

So, in reality, Trump is limited in what he can say while I, Colin Kaepernick and every other person in the United States can say pretty much whatever the f*** they like (this right having been adjudicated as not extending to dangerously inflammatory speech, like shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theatre).

Edited by Ray in Houston (26 Sep 2017 3.52pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 17 3.52pm
Originally posted by wordup Why should your judgment of the rationality or aim behind a protest have any influence on whether it should go ahead or not? The whole basis of a protest is that many people disagree with it or do not see the merits of it. If white supremacists get a free protest pass from you, I'm pretty sure you shouldn't need to analyse this one to the nth degree. Edited by wordup (26 Sep 2017 3.49pm) Er. It doesn't. White supremacists weren't playing for a major football team at the time. It's a bit pointless arguing if you just talk in riddles. I have made my position clear. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Sep 2017 3.53pm)
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Originally posted by wordup

Why should your judgment of the rationality or aim behind a protest have any influence on whether it should go ahead or not? The whole basis of a protest is that many people disagree with it or do not see the merits of it. If white supremacists get a free protest pass from you, I'm pretty sure you shouldn't need to analyse this one to the nth degree.

Edited by wordup (26 Sep 2017 3.49pm)

Er. It doesn't.

White supremacists weren't playing for a major football team at the time.

It's a bit pointless arguing if you just talk in riddles. I have made my position clear.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Sep 2017 3.53pm)

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wordup 26 Sep 17 3.54pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It was pre game, they didn't suddenly take to the floor moments before a touchdown. As if the fact it was an an american football game is the only component that matters here.
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26 Sep 17 3.54pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It was pre game, they didn't suddenly take to the floor moments before a touchdown. As if the fact it was an an american football game is the only component that matters here.

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Ray in Houston Houston 26 Sep 17 3.55pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm afraid you have used that word once too often. Go play on your own. Stop proffering inaccurate, racist arguments, and I'll stop using the word. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 26 Sep 17 3.55pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm afraid you have used that word once too often.

Go play on your own.

Stop proffering inaccurate, racist arguments, and I'll stop using the word.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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PaddyMcPaddy 26 Sep 17 3.56pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Is this serious? People of colour put dark colours on their face to see the ball better! I always thought American Football was a bit of a joke, this just confirms it. Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Sep 2017 3.26pm) The turkish goalkeeper used to do it as well. Rustu. No idea if it actually works
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26 Sep 17 3.56pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Is this serious? People of colour put dark colours on their face to see the ball better! I always thought American Football was a bit of a joke, this just confirms it.

Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Sep 2017 3.26pm)

The turkish goalkeeper used to do it as well. Rustu.

No idea if it actually works

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YT Oxford 26 Sep 17 3.57pm
I confess I haven't ploughed through all 13 pages, but to answer the OP... In my opinion, national anthems are perfectly acceptable at international events, and even add to the occasion, but playing them (or rather "it" ) at a domestic event is ridiculous. I understand that at Wembley on Sunday both the USA and UK anthems were played...which is even more ridiculous! Now backtracking, I also find the anthem OK at the Cup Final, but that's more out of sense of tradition. Edited by YT (26 Sep 2017 3.57pm) Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 26 Sep 17 3.57pm

I confess I haven't ploughed through all 13 pages, but to answer the OP...

In my opinion, national anthems are perfectly acceptable at international events, and even add to the occasion, but playing them (or rather "it" ) at a domestic event is ridiculous. I understand that at Wembley on Sunday both the USA and UK anthems were played...which is even more ridiculous!

Now backtracking, I also find the anthem OK at the Cup Final, but that's more out of sense of tradition.

Edited by YT (26 Sep 2017 3.57pm)

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 17 3.57pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Not being funny, but that is how you come across sometimes. You can go play with the other 'every one is a racist who disagrees with me' fella.
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Hrolf The Ganger

26 Sep 17 3.57pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Not being funny, but that is how you come across sometimes.

You can go play with the other 'every one is a racist who disagrees with me' fella.

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Stirlingsays 26 Sep 17 3.58pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Is that why you view the rise in fascism across the western world as the fault of progressives, not those that harbour racist ideologies. I view the reduction in social cohesion and plenty of other problems on policies progressives support certainly....Individual progressives can be very reasonable people and then you get others. However not all of those policies are exclusive to progressives. But yeah....obviously, once you rack up identity policies and race victimhood you encourage the same across all races. I have never viewed it as the right way to tackle this problem. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Sep 17 3.58pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Is that why you view the rise in fascism across the western world as the fault of progressives, not those that harbour racist ideologies.

I view the reduction in social cohesion and plenty of other problems on policies progressives support certainly....Individual progressives can be very reasonable people and then you get others.

However not all of those policies are exclusive to progressives.

But yeah....obviously, once you rack up identity policies and race victimhood you encourage the same across all races. I have never viewed it as the right way to tackle this problem.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stuk Top half 26 Sep 17 3.59pm
Originally posted by wordup It was pre game, they didn't suddenly take to the floor moments before a touchdown. As if the fact it was an an american football game is the only component that matters here. You can't, the play would be over. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 26 Sep 17 3.59pm

Originally posted by wordup

It was pre game, they didn't suddenly take to the floor moments before a touchdown. As if the fact it was an an american football game is the only component that matters here.

You can't, the play would be over.

Optimistic as ever

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Sep 17 3.59pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You can go play with the other 'every one is a racist who disagrees with me' fella. If you write what can easily be construed as racist, don't be surprised to be called out. Or do you not realise that you come across as a bit racist?
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Shizzlehurst 26 Sep 17 3.59pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You can go play with the other 'every one is a racist who disagrees with me' fella.

If you write what can easily be construed as racist, don't be surprised to be called out.
Or do you not realise that you come across as a bit racist?

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