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 dannyh  wherever I lay my hat....... 15 Sep 17 8.48am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
There's loads of different types of people in momentum. Bus drivers, retired grannies, students, gays, straights, teachers , doctors etc etc. In the main,they all want labour to represent ordinary people and bring back essential services and amenities to public ownership. And therein lies the rub. It's exactly the same in any organisation. There are grannies, pregnant mothers, young and old alike in the EDL, no doubt some are "ists" but most are just normal people who are fed up of being treated like second rate citizens in their own areas, and feel (rightly or wrongly) that the needs and wants of immigrants are being put before there own. My point being, not everyone in the EDL is a mini Hitler so to stereotype as such, by labelling them all fascists, is no different at all to me (for example) calling all momentum members a bunch of hard line, swivel eyed, loony left, frothing at the mouth, bully boy fascists.
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Kermit8  Hevon 15 Sep 17 9.32am |
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Originally posted by dannyh
And therein lies the rub. It's exactly the same in any organisation. There are grannies, pregnant mothers, young and old alike in the EDL, no doubt some are "ists" but most are just normal people who are fed up of being treated like second rate citizens in their own areas, and feel (rightly or wrongly) that the needs and wants of immigrants are being put before there own. My point being, not everyone in the EDL is a mini Hitler so to stereotype as such, by labelling them all fascists, is no different at all to me (for example) calling all momentum members a bunch of hard line, swivel eyed, loony left, frothing at the mouth, bully boy fascists.
As there are in ISIS. The EDL was formed by a total bigot spouting his vitriol towards all Muslims. A bit like Ian Paisley did in the 1960's-1980's toward all Catholics and they didn't come any more bigoted than him. If any are in the EDL because they want fairness for all our citizens and not just those of a certain hue/faith then they have probably joined the wrong group.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 15 Sep 17 9.34am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Violence resulting arrests in London, Birmingham, manchester and liverpool for starters Far more football supporters in those cities arrested every week.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 15 Sep 17 9.57am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
As there are in ISIS. The EDL was formed by a total bigot spouting his vitriol towards all Muslims. A bit like Ian Paisley did in the 1960's-1980's toward all Catholics and they didn't come any more bigoted than him. If any are in the EDL because they want fairness for all our citizens and not just those of a certain hue/faith then they have probably joined the wrong group. Bo1locks Kerm, ISIS is a terrorist organisation and the woman an children involved are terrorists ready to murder and maim innocent people for a nonsensical reason i.e. religion. To even mention them in the same breath is mental;, have you been at the whiskey already pal ? bit early init. The second part of you post is just pure assumption on your part, driven by your own beliefs and bias.
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| youngpalacefan111 15 Sep 17 11.27am |
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Three helicopters, hundreds of police officers and months of planning to let a Jew speak his mind at Berkeley, Who's the real Nazis? Did the Nazi's plant those bombs earlier? I guess you whiteys deserve it due to your white privilege, this is coming from 1/4 Indian 1/4 Sri lankan, 1/4 Ghanian and 1/4 English before you call me a racists Kerm of Nick.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 15 Sep 17 11.34am |
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Originally posted by youngpalacefan111
Three helicopters, hundreds of police officers and months of planning to let a Jew speak his mind at Berkeley, Who's the real Nazis? Did the Nazi's plant those bombs earlier? I guess you whiteys deserve it due to your white privilege, this is coming from 1/4 Indian 1/4 Sri lankan, 1/4 Ghanian and 1/4 English before you call me a racists Kerm of Nick.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Sep 17 11.36am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Far more football supporters in those cities arrested every week. Hmm and look at how football fans and 'self appointed groups of football fans who claim to represent' their club and defend other fans get treated by the police.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Sep 17 11.57am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
As there are in ISIS. The EDL was formed by a total bigot spouting his vitriol towards all Muslims. A bit like Ian Paisley did in the 1960's-1980's toward all Catholics and they didn't come any more bigoted than him. If any are in the EDL because they want fairness for all our citizens and not just those of a certain hue/faith then they have probably joined the wrong group. Wooooh I think comparing the EDL to ISIS is a massive over extend. They're a terrorist organisation, responsible for genocide, mass murder and war crimes. I think there more on a par with the likes of some of islam against crusaders and such nonsense. They're a vocal, grass roots movement, which is very much driven by an agenda - which is primarily anti-Muslim and a 'paranoia' of so called Islamification. Which is what their membership rally around - and their idea of Islam is a bit worryingly similar to the kind of anti-semetic propaganda of the far right, which tends to present the minority as the majority example, and focus entirely on negative aspects and ignore the reality of every day Muslims in the UK. They claim to represent the English working class, but have no political mandate to claim this, having not stood in elections. its a self declared 'protector' which should concern people.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Sep 17 11.58am |
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Originally posted by youngpalacefan111
Three helicopters, hundreds of police officers and months of planning to let a Jew speak his mind at Berkeley, Who's the real Nazis? Did the Nazi's plant those bombs earlier? I guess you whiteys deserve it due to your white privilege, this is coming from 1/4 Indian 1/4 Sri lankan, 1/4 Ghanian and 1/4 English before you call me a racists Kerm of Nick. The real Nazis, are the Nazis
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| youngpalacefan111 15 Sep 17 12.11pm |
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It was sarcasm Kermy, "White privilege" is obviously bulls***.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 15 Sep 17 12.30pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Hmm and look at how football fans and 'self appointed groups of football fans who claim to represent' their club and defend other fans get treated by the police. The police can treat football hooligans as firmly as they like as far as I'm concerned.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Sep 17 1.10pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
The police can treat football hooligans as firmly as they like as far as I'm concerned. Same goes for the EDL. For google EDL and Violence Fighting with the police as well. tsk task Edited by jamiemartin721 (15 Sep 2017 1.12pm)
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