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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Aug 17 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

Apparently it's all because of players not doing as they're told.

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This is why I think he hooked PVA instead of Wardy for Chungy. I was getting p1ssed off with PVA v Swansea but having a right footed left back join attacks was pathetic. If he needed more evidence it's risky then watch Kelly try to go past their player with his weak foot, lose the ball and the match.

Lots of decisions being made without points enough of a concern. Respect the point. Respect the club.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Aug 17 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Well why is it being implemented then? When he played 4 at the back with Ajax and Inter? The idea of 3 at the back is that whilst defending you have 5 defenders instead of 4. It's not the being more attacking we've struggled with, it's having players with the intelligence to adapt to the system. What other possible reason does De Boer have to go against his and a famous Dutch formation he's played in during his entire managerial career and majority of playing career?

I swear when people don't like someone it clouds their judgement and it's impossible to fathom any responsibility or blame lying with anyone but De Boer.

If the players can't play that formation then why are we playing it. Facking hell.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Aug 17 2.13pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

I never said 3-4-3 was the right formation once. I didn't defend it, I challenged the point to people who want us to be a more defensive side that the whole idea of Frank in particular using it was that. And going by his history (and interviews where he's actually said it), I find it hard how you can even argue with the point I'm making.

Not at home it isn't. But I can't keep banging my head against the wall, Mr De Boer.

 


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chateauferret Flag 28 Aug 17 2.14pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

If the players can't play that formation then why are we playing it. Facking hell.

What's the PL speed record for losing dressing rooms?

 


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Mstrobez Flag 28 Aug 17 2.20pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

If the players can't play that formation then why are we playing it. Facking hell.


Your still missing my point. I never expected, nor wanted us to play 3 at the back - I've never been a big fan of it because even the teams who win trophies with it historically end up getting found out anyway, this isn't the first time a batch of teams in the Premier League have gone with it after watching a team be successful with it (Chelsea). This craze won't last in the premier league for long.

I'm saying that Franks idea of playing 3 at the back was undoubtedly taking into account (rightly or wrongly) our deficiencies as a team and aiming to give us the ability to play whilst still defending in numbers. That is clearly the idea, I'm not saying it's the right one, but Franks systems of 4 at the back are evidently more attacking ones that the 3 at the back he's taken to Palace, he played it for 5 years at a team winning the league every season. So I'm just questioning this idea that all of a sudden under Frank we'll be more defensively solid with 4 at the back. I'll ask again, why would he all of a sudden implement 3 at the back at Palace when he's never done it at more attacking sides who dominate the league if it weren't for more defensive security? Even if his idea is flawed?

Your arguing with me about if it works or not, I never said it did or would but he undoubtedly introduced it because he believed it would make us more solid. If you can't see that, your evidently blinded by hatred.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Aug 17 2.20pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

What's the PL speed record for losing dressing rooms?

Would be Brian Clough at Leeds. First speech at training.

 


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Jacey Flag 28 Aug 17 2.25pm Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

What's the PL speed record for losing dressing rooms?

Frank should never have called them cowards.
How does that help morale??

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Aug 17 2.27pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez


Your still missing my point. I never expected, nor wanted us to play 3 at the back - I've never been a big fan of it because even the teams who win trophies with it historically end up getting found out anyway, this isn't the first time a batch of teams in the Premier League have gone with it after watching a team be successful with it (Chelsea). This craze won't last in the premier league for long.

I'm saying that Franks idea of playing 3 at the back was undoubtedly taking into account (rightly or wrongly) our deficiencies as a team and aiming to give us the ability to play whilst still defending in numbers. That is clearly the idea, I'm not saying it's the right one, but Franks systems of 4 at the back are evidently more attacking ones that the 3 at the back he's taken to Palace, he played it for 5 years at a team winning the league every season. So I'm just questioning this idea that all of a sudden under Frank we'll be more defensively solid with 4 at the back. I'll ask again, why would he all of a sudden implement 3 at the back at Palace when he's never done it at more attacking sides who dominate the league if it weren't for more defensive security? Even if his idea is flawed?

Your arguing with me about if it works or not, I never said it did or would but he undoubtedly introduced it because he believed it would make us more solid. If you can't see that, your evidently blinded by hatred.

Er, he said it would get more out of our attacking players, specifically naming Zaha.

Why he's implementing a system he said we're suited to, yet needed 3 players hired and selected and yet another 3 I have no idea. Keep with the Jones's, keep with trends? He chose it either without assessing the squad or assessing them very very badly.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Aug 17 2.30pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

Frank should never have called them cowards.
How does that help morale??

He didn't. He said 'lacking courage.'

It means the same but is more polite and more likely to keep them on side. A bit like saying someone isn't ambitious rather than lacking ambition. The former is fair, the latter is highly critical and possibly going to lose loyalty or friendship or whatever.

But footballers aren't often bright so can be irrational like Eastenders characters. Not listening, hearing half, jumping to conclusions etc.

 


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Mstrobez Flag 28 Aug 17 2.34pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Er, he said it would get more out of our attacking players, specifically naming Zaha.

Why he's implementing a system he said we're suited to, yet needed 3 players hired and selected and yet another 3 I have no idea. Keep with the Jones's, keep with trends? He chose it either without assessing the squad or assessing them very very badly.

So basically what you're saying is, he played 4 at the back with Ajax who won the league 4 years on the trot. Played 4 at the back with Inter who are an Italian giant but then came to PALACE and thought oh you know what? Defence for a mid table premier league side is less important so I'm gonna go for an even more attacking system than the one I've always used and just blindly get rid of a defender.

Can you not see that even if de Boer to you is the worst manager in the history of the world, that is nonsensical. He's not that stupid, even if his idea of bringing his system to a more defensive style is wrong. The motive behind it was to be more defensive than he has been in the past. Otherwise it begs the question of why he didn't play it Ajax or Inter, which, after 3 exchanges, you seem to be incapable of answering...

Edited by Mstrobez (28 Aug 2017 2.39pm)

 


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Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 28 Aug 17 2.35pm Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

Frank should never have called them cowards.
How does that help morale??

He said they lacked courage, and what he actually meant was they show no confidence in their ability to control and pass the ball under pressure.

But we are then back to square 1 because the bulk of our team have never had to (or wanted to) play like that.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Aug 17 2.36pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

He didn't. He said 'lacking courage.'

It means the same but is more polite and more likely to keep them on side. A bit like saying someone isn't ambitious rather than lacking ambition. The former is fair, the latter is highly critical and possibly going to lose loyalty or friendship or whatever.

But footballers aren't often bright so can be irrational like Eastenders characters. Not listening, hearing half, jumping to conclusions etc.

I think he meant in terms of lacking courage on the ball.But of course when one is lacking confidence and under pressure, sometimes one's use of the ball suffers.

 

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