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Stirlingsays Flag 28 Jul 17 4.41am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The US healthcare system is so f**ked up its more akin to Doublespeak. I think it emphasis why nationalised health systems (even ones like the French and German with Private Cover) make sense.

Its kind of odd that in the US as a prisoner you are entitled to health care, that a general citizen wouldn't automatically get.

Also most US Health care plans don't cover pre-existing conditions or mental health (which means you could easily leave mental health care, with a 200,000 plus medical bill).

I think all but the most ardent hardcore Libertarians or Right wingers would agree that its pragmatically easier and probably more cost effective to have a system of national health care across the board for citizens.

Of course....but culturally the US is a long way away from accepting single payer healthcare.

The country is very divided into groups and it's just the reality that republicans don't want to pay the health costs of the poor....even when we know it's the better overall system.

It's the same cultural problem they have with guns.....though I have a little more sympathy with them on the guns issue because giving up your guns now....in a country with an estimated 270 million to 310 million guns in it is a bit tough.

Criminals would have a serious advantage for an interim period.

I would prefer them to have our system but the reality is that isn't going to happen.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jul 2017 4.42am)

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 28 Jul 17 2.15pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by wordup

I can't see anything changing anyway really: “There will be no modifications to the current policy until the President's direction has been received by the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary has issued implementation guidance.”

Also Trump's "I consulted the military about the transgender ban" is, like most things he blurts out for attention, more fantasy land material [Link]

This is an administration with all of the seriousness of a panto.


It's been speculated that this was thrown out as red meat to the base voters who were grumbling over his treatment of loyal servant Sessions. More political miscalculation brought to you by the administration that thought the firing of Comey would be welcomed by Democrats.

They are clueless, the lot of them.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 28 Jul 17 4.35pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's wrong to burden your employer with costs not related to your contract with them. The US needs to wake up and implement common sense.


Exactly. the problem is that the US healthcare system is layered with private business interests from top to bottom, to whom this business is very profitable. They spend millions of dollars on lobbying and campaign donations to make sure that their business isn't rolled up into a single-payer system that would operate without the need for profit.

Because people live here in a state of perpetual uncertainty and anxiety about access to healthcare, they are very easily spooked into voting against change by the interests who are keeping them in such flux. Before the ACA, losing your job meant losing health insurance and getting a new job did not guarantee insurance for any pre-existing condition. That's a terrifying position to be in for anyone.

But then look at the passage of the ACA. Flawed as it is, it allowed 20 million people to get health insurance who previously were unable, and removed for everyone many of the bad, customary limitations such as pre-existing condition exclusions and lifetime benefit caps. For that, Democrats got absolutely spanked in the 2010 midterms - a red wave that coincided with a census year that allowed the Republican majorities up and down the country to gerrymander themselves into a position that remains all-but unassailable. The debate around "Obamacare" in that midterm was every bit as sensationalist and dishonest as Brexit. Remember "Death Panels"?

This is why we can't have nice things.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 28 Jul 17 4.51pm

Originally posted by wordup

I can't see anything changing anyway really: “There will be no modifications to the current policy until the President's direction has been received by the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary has issued implementation guidance.”

Also Trump's "I consulted the military about the transgender ban" is, like most things he blurts out for attention, more fantasy land material [Link]

This is an administration with all of the seriousness of a panto.

Oh no it's not!!!

 


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Oliver Flag Bodega Bay 28 Jul 17 5.06pm Send a Private Message to Oliver Add Oliver as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

Oh no it's not!!!

Oh yes it is!

 


I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

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Stirlingsays Flag 28 Jul 17 7.09pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


Exactly. the problem is that the US healthcare system is layered with private business interests from top to bottom, to whom this business is very profitable. They spend millions of dollars on lobbying and campaign donations to make sure that their business isn't rolled up into a single-payer system that would operate without the need for profit.

Because people live here in a state of perpetual uncertainty and anxiety about access to healthcare, they are very easily spooked into voting against change by the interests who are keeping them in such flux. Before the ACA, losing your job meant losing health insurance and getting a new job did not guarantee insurance for any pre-existing condition. That's a terrifying position to be in for anyone.

But then look at the passage of the ACA. Flawed as it is, it allowed 20 million people to get health insurance who previously were unable, and removed for everyone many of the bad, customary limitations such as pre-existing condition exclusions and lifetime benefit caps. For that, Democrats got absolutely spanked in the 2010 midterms - a red wave that coincided with a census year that allowed the Republican majorities up and down the country to gerrymander themselves into a position that remains all-but unassailable. The debate around "Obamacare" in that midterm was every bit as sensationalist and dishonest as Brexit. Remember "Death Panels"?

This is why we can't have nice things.

I'm not sure we would agree on Brexit but essentially I'm with you on the primacy of the single payer system as the least worst system for healthcare.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jul 2017 7.09pm)

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 29 Jul 17 9.07am

Its also staggeringly more expensive to get private health care in the US than the UK

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Jul 17 9.38am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Its also staggeringly more expensive to get private health care in the US than the UK

Something's gotta give on healthcare over there.

If the democrats get in next election it will be interesting to see what happens on it.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 29 Jul 17 11.08am

Trumps fired so many people. I reckon he still thinks he's on the apprentice.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Jul 17 11.25am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Trumps fired so many people. I reckon he still thinks he's on the apprentice.

I think I'll nick that as my FB status.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 Jul 17 12.49pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Trumps fired so many people. I reckon he still thinks he's on the apprentice.

Personally I am really enjoying the Trump presidency, its like watching an insane reality TV show or comedy. Its certainly been the most 'absurdly amusing' that US politics has ever been.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 Jul 17 12.52pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Something's gotta give on healthcare over there.

If the democrats get in next election it will be interesting to see what happens on it.

I think the current administration might just about have got their bill through by then. I was impressed with John McCain, dragged in from Surgery to approve the vote to send it for reading, and then vote against it because it did not have cross party discussion and debate. Those republicans who rightly voted against this bill, should be commended on their position - not so much on what they believe about health care, but what they believe in terms of the right way of conducting democracy.

 


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