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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Jun 17 1.00pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Emergency, tragedy, people in danger does make people drop their prejudices or fears of others, but let's not be so naive to suggest that one fire and Muslims nearby helping those in need when it could be them changes the fact that many live by Sharia Law rather than British law, and some would rather live under Sharia law instead of British law and would do anything to have it, some without needing that to be the result of their actions.

There are issues in this country and people in great distress break down those issues temporarily. Sadly they're still there afterwards.

I'm not sure that's true, I suspect many might adopt sharia law ahead of British Law, but they're not in any way exempt from British Law by doing so. I don't really have an issue with people choosing to live by Sharia Law, Catholic dogma, Protestant whatnots etc provided its no defence in British law to do so. Similarly, those who 'enforce such law' should not enjoy any kind of protection in law either and be subject to the full force of British Law the moment they try to step outside British Law.

What people do informally in their own lives and beliefs are their own choices. When they enforce those on people who don't believe, then they're c**ts who need a good shoeing from the law.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 15 Jun 17 1.02pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Let's ignore the fact that the majority of Muslims should be expected to act like anybody else and to highlight the fact that some helped is incredibly pathetic. Shall we highlight every member of every other group as well?

Also, I know no one who is saying that we should expel all Muslims so again it's another pathetic point.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jun 2017 11.13am)

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Jun 17 1.12pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

yes, even a smoke alarm on each floor would have alerted some of those poor souls , at £10 an alarm thats £240 for the whole building!

Costs don't work like that.

When a government or council takes responsibility for something like smoke alarms, it also has to take responsibility for buying them, fitting them, maintaining them, verifying their operational acceptance, their replacement. They also have to be up to certain standards and requirements.

I knew a guy who worked at a massive car park as an attendant. The first half of his shift was going through the car park recording whether each bulb was working or needed to be replaced, because there was a legal obligation on the car parks owners to provide a reasonable level of illumination at night to deter crime and risks of injury.

So whilst you and I can just buy a smoke alarm, and accept responsibility directly on ourselves for buying a s**t one, that option doesn't exist for Public or Private companies - who will be held accountable for failures.

So if a smoke alarm isn't working, there would be an expectation for it to be replaced promptly (as fires have a high threat to life), and the only way you can reasonably do that, is to check them on a regular basis or connect them up to a network system that reports failure. Of course the latter is better, but then that system has to be sourced, installed, maintained....

Of course the person who checks them, needs to be qualified to a specific level of technical competence, and someone has to cover for him when he's on holiday or sick.. and so on.

The same applies to a private contractor, except if they're dodgy they can circumvent some of these issues and they're less accountable to the people than politicians (but not much), meaning they could probably hire a lower skilled worker, and buy insurance. Where as council or government worker failures that result in deaths always result in new legislation from the outrage... and that adds more cost to your smoke alarm system.


 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 15 Jun 17 1.13pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Very few high rises, if any, were built under Thatcher.

Many people were basically forced to move into tower blocks under protest so that so called slum clearance could occur under Wilson

That's not what I wrote. Sell does not mean build.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Jun 17 1.15pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Let's ignore the fact that the majority of Muslims should be expected to act like anybody else and to highlight the fact that some helped is incredibly pathetic. Shall we highlight every member of every other group as well?

Also, I know no one who is saying that we should expel all Muslims so again it's another pathetic point.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jun 2017 11.13am)

Whilst I do agree with this, its not really any different than people praising the emergency services for doing their job either...

Now I believe we should praise people who weigh in and prevent tragic events, but reasonably if we're saying that 'praising some muslims for getting involved' then you should also be saying that the emergency services were just doing their job as well.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Jun 17 1.15pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

That's not what I wrote. Sell does not mean build.

Source?

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 15 Jun 17 1.18pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Source?

Any dictionary

 


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Originally posted by pefwin

Any dictionary

Very amusing.

And when you provide some evidence for your claim (if ever), I will then ask you how that alters the reality of the stupid Wilson government plan for decanting people to poorly built and designed tower blocks.

 

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bubble wrap Flag Carparks in South East London 15 Jun 17 1.40pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

What struck me a lot was how everyone in the area pulled together.

Sounds like lives were saved by people who some don't want in this country.


What an utter bellend you are.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Jun 17 2.35pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Whilst I do agree with this, its not really any different than people praising the emergency services for doing their job either...

Now I believe we should praise people who weigh in and prevent tragic events, but reasonably if we're saying that 'praising some muslims for getting involved' then you should also be saying that the emergency services were just doing their job as well.

I haven't been praising people for doing their job, though I have little problem with those that do.

I do think it's important to view jobs that have danger attached to them as extremely important and culturally significant.

For them not to be pushed would probably result in less people doing them which is far worse for society. Personally I look up to a family that has an honoured soldier in it or say paramedic as more useful for society than say a banker...who may have paid more tax but...whose job description has an element of ripping people off somewhere down the line.

The emergency services are not a 'group' in the same sense of Christians and Muslims or any other non paid conviction groups so I think that when you compare these two ideas you are stretching it quite a bit.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jun 2017 2.39pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Jun 17 2.38pm

Originally posted by bubble wrap

What an utter bellend you are.

I'm sorry if painting people who are constantly vilified and hated in a positive light offends you.


You recently posted that you don't care about refugees drowning in the med. Are there any deaths yesterday that don't bother you?

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Jun 17 2.41pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I'm sorry if painting people who are constantly vilified and hated in a positive light offends you.


You recently posted that you don't care about refugees drowning in the med. Are there any deaths yesterday that don't bother you?

Again it's people like you Nick that Maajid Nawaz reserves some of his strongest criticism for.

You deserve all you get for your comments.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jun 2017 2.42pm)

 


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