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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 19 Apr 17 5.53pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

^^^^^^ re:willo

Translation - 'watched Newsnight and read a newspaper in the last 24 hours'

Edited by Kermit8 (19 Apr 2017 6.02pm)

 


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We are goin up! Flag Coulsdon 19 Apr 17 5.55pm Send a Private Message to We are goin up! Add We are goin up! as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Once again, may doesn't actually answer a question in pmq's and gets away with it.


And who do you think might be at fault for consistently letting the PM off the hook at PMQs????????

 


The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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.TUX. Flag 19 Apr 17 5.56pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Wow. Red coloured specs.
I'm sure that industry has been at the mercy of new technology, changing markets and global politics since it began and workers have had to adapt one way or another.
I dread to think where we would be had the Unions maintained their choke hold over industry and government.
Another Labour government in 1979 would have been a disaster.
You need to let go of your Thatcher prejudice.

Says the man who can't let go of his continual 'Labour in the 70's' gripe.
No, they were not perfect (what govt is?), but they had a hell of a lot to contend with. You never mention the end of Bretton-Woods in '71 (that started the rot that we're still living today) along with a GLOBAL energy crisis that both led to ever increasing inflation. Hardly Labours fault.

You need to let go of your Labour prejudice

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 19 Apr 17 5.59pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

There is a point in voting UKIP. We don't want May doing anything other than what the people voted for last year - a clean Brexit. The ballot sheet was clear, voting out meant out.

May needs to be held to account on this and not wuss out and water this down. UKIP are the only ones who will do this.

However, I would rather have May in than Jezza or that bellend Farron in a coalition, so I may end up tactically voting in order to make sure that the 'progressives' stay out of power.

However, I do feel the same as Cucking. They are pretty much all a shower of s***e, career orientated bellends. Only Sir Nigel and a few other politicians, for example although I detest his politics Dennis Skinner, deserve any praise, for being principled.


I don't think by their very nature populists can do genuine 'principled' but apart from that I am on the same page as yourself and Cucking.

Standards are very low in politics these days. I don't want an MP to be of the same intellect as the man on the street or have backward looking parochial intent. House of Commons has too many of those types these days.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 19 Apr 17 6.09pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8


I don't think by their very nature populists can do genuine 'principled' but apart from that I am on the same page as yourself and Cucking.

Standards are very low in politics these days. I don't want an MP to be of the same intellect as the man on the street or have backward looking parochial intent. House of Commons has too many of those types these days.

Sir Nigel is principled. Has never swayed from his vision of leaving the EU in 25 years of being a politician. A great man.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 19 Apr 17 6.12pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I'm pretty sure all it said was "leave the EU". Not "clean brexit". If you look at the raft of promises made by the leave camp they include things like single market access and a number of other things which imply anything other than a "clean brexit".

The fact is lots of people voted to leave the EU but not for the same reasons and not with the same vision for brexit. At least now that can be set partially right as parties can say what brexit actually means in their manifestos. Don't forget the Leave campaign was chaired by a Labour MP. It's like the Scottish referendum. Leaving the UK means many different things depending on who you ask. Noone currently has any mandate to set our future course outside the EU only to "leave the EU" but after that the direction is unclear.

Lib Dems have ruled out a coalition with Labour I believe.

Did the ballot paper say 'Leave bits of the EU but not all of it'? No, it said leave.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 19 Apr 17 6.15pm

Originally posted by We are goin up!


And who do you think might be at fault for consistently letting the PM off the hook at PMQs????????

John Bercow

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Apr 17 6.30pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

^^^^^^ re:willo

Translation - 'watched Newsnight and read a newspaper in the last 24 hours'

Edited by Kermit8 (19 Apr 2017 6.02pm)

Wouldn't hire you as my translator.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 19 Apr 17 7.05pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

"My surname is Stirling, to answer the location name point"

A true British name that. Heralds from Germanic or perhaps Scottish ancestry of a combo of both maybe

Immigrants were welcome

Shall we just call you 'strawman Kermy'.

As I have said before Kermy, regulated useful immigration is welcome....though I know reading other people's posts for detail isn't an interest area of yours.

The original 'English' hid in Wales when Rome finally invaded in force.....So that silly post only works when used against someone wanting to stop all immigration as the English today are a mixture of all.

Not willingly though....wars were fought....People in general don't like their lands and culture being altered without choice.

Well....some of us do.....A minority always do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Apr 2017 7.38pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 19 Apr 17 7.11pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I rely on reports I've read for my assertions on the impact of immigrants on the public purse and here is something I got from a very quick google:

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I believe blaming foreigners for social and economic problems is easy and therefore casual. It also absolves governments and people born in the UK from the blame.

Posters like the one I uploaded previously that was issued by UKIP are racist in my opinion as they use people's ethnicity as a tool to create negative feelings.


Also Lewisham is quite nice now in parts and is benefiting from investment due to it's location in zone 2. I like the mix of shops and restaurants. You should go to the Model Market on a Saturday night after an early season Palace game. It's great!

No, what you rely on is one side of an argument. The side that you agree with.

It's only people like you who talk of 'blaming foreigners'. I don't blame people wanting to get to a better life. Who I blame are people like you who want to let everybody in.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Apr 17 7.18pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

Says the man who can't let go of his continual 'Labour in the 70's' gripe.
No, they were not perfect (what govt is?), but they had a hell of a lot to contend with. You never mention the end of Bretton-Woods in '71 (that started the rot that we're still living today) along with a GLOBAL energy crisis that both led to ever increasing inflation. Hardly Labours fault.

You need to let go of your Labour prejudice

That last bit was said in jest to a fully paid up Lefty.
I acknowledge the end of Bretton Woods and the oil crisis but that applied to all of the West. You cannot excuse your way out of pandering to unions when the exact opposite was needed to remain competitive in a difficult period. The Labour party were a victim of their own origins. A remodeling of British industry and restoration of the British reputation was required in the following years. Thatcher and Blair both knew that.


 

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Stirlingsays Flag 19 Apr 17 7.19pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

What makes you think there was an "inability" to increase investment on infrastructure? Or for that matter investment in education and healthcare?

Tax take per capita will be impacted by earnings per capita and the tax rate. If tax take per capita falls, as you suggest that would imply lower earnings per capita or reduction in tax rates. Earnings per capita has broadly increased since 1979, however average taxes on personal income have fallen from 10% of GDP to 9% in that time. That's over 1% lower than in the US, having been slightly higher in 1979. It's also lower than Canada, NZ, the Nordics and a number of other OECD countries. Tax on corporate profits has also shrunk as a share of GDP from 3.6% of GDP to 2.5% since the Tories came back to power. Social security contributions are also way below the OECD average and have reduced under the Tories.

This is ideological. The Tories have decided to slash spending on infrastructure, policing, healthcare, education, while simultaneously reducing the tax burden. Reducing tax on companies doesn't promote inward investment in the way that politicians would have you believe. There are huge amounts of corporate profits which sit on balance sheets doing nothing. It actually takes money out of the economy far from creating some sort of multiplier effect.

But more even than just talking about tax take - the government has been using QE for years now to prop up asset prices. This is completely irresponsible, and also ignores what they should be doing with monetary policy - increase money supply to invest in the economy and improve productivity. Creating asset bubbles with public finances just helps line the pockets of those who own the assets - the already wealthy. Using the argument that printing money for government spending just creates inflation is only true when an economy is at full employment - something ours is nowhere near. You can increase money supply and increase GDP in real terms up to that point. But this is against Tory ideology.

Actually tax take is very important. While I'd agree with you upon the ethics of the various situations all I'm actually interested in is the end result.

The elite will always protect and insulate itself and those saying that this can be changed by government are not only lying to themselves but to others. Only worldwide action can change that and hence it's pointless.

You have to create an economy that the rich are willing to invest in....or they will take their ill gotten gains elsewhere.....As happened in France....You see that's what socialism gets the poor....an increase in support for the far right.

Tell me a government that has used your ideas and has increased the wealth of its poorest?

 


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