Ok then big boy. Where was the lie? You cant grow up cos you are still a baby. Ever heard of respect for your elders and or people with more experience than you? Stop being abusive to people just because you think they are wrong.

and we are Crystal Palace.....and here lies maybe the biggest problem. we are a small club in London punching above our weight.

@sxp55555

Judging from majority opinions here:

It seems like we have the following team right now:
Hennessey (mediocre --or crap)
Kelly (not prem level)
Fryers (not prem level)
Dann (good on his day, but inconsistent this season)
Delaney (solid but slow, and probably too old)
Ward (solid, or crap to some)
McArthur (good on his day, but inconsistent)
Cabaye (crap and over-rated) *
Ledley (solid but slow)
Zaha (a star) *
Puncheon (good on his day, but inconsistent)
Townsend (crap) *
Benteke (a star) *
Campbell (not prem level)
Flamini (who knows, but probably too old) *
Lee Chung-yong (not prem level) *
Mutch (not prem level) *
Sako (not prem level) *
Speroni(who knows, but probably too old)

Those with an asterisk may be Pards choices, though Sako and Lee were said to be Parish surprise signings at the time. (Injured Parish-Pards signing include Pape, Wickham, Remy and Mandanda) Interesting that except for Pape, Pards hasn't had any luck bringing in any of his defensive choices (unless you count Cabaye as a holding mid). But perhaps that makes sense with our goal scoring issues the past 2 seasons.

Is this the roster another manager would turn into a top-half team?

West Ham, Sunderland and Swansea all have more years in the Premier League than us, but are below us. So the 4th season statement is irrelevant. What makes us so special?

Palace are still a relatively poorly financed club (even with the new owners) with a limited stadium and a team (baring Benteke) that has not cost a fortune to pull together (especially after netting off sales) - so yes we punch above our size. Look at the big clubs that have languished in the Championship or below (e.g. Leeds, Sheffield Wed, Derby, etc).

I personally think Parish got ahead of himself and built up unrealistic expectations. That is not to say I am happy with losing - although over the years have got perhaps to used to it. Overall, I see the last few years have been some of the most optimistic since I started supporting the club. I don't think we'll go down and bar some awful defending on occasions I don't think we're playing that badly; but we'd survive if we did. Hull have been picking up in recent weeks - getting fair results at home (West Brom and Southampton) - so getting a draw is not the calamity or a surrender as you suggest. I would rather the high scores we are seeing than the Pulis approach - although a middle ground would relax my dodgy heart.

You can say I'm stuck in the past, have no ambition and accept losing, but I am saddened by the venomous rhetoric and apparent lack of realism. Maybe it is because of what Leicester achieved last year - but until yesterday they were below Palace.

I am not a huge fan of Pardew, but do not at the moment see a better option and he still seems to have the dressing room. Who is this super manager that we can attract? Why would they join a club apparently in crisis? Apart from being in London what do we offer to a big name manager who does not have major baggage?

You have it about right, most of AP signings are players (or his mates) who could not get first team games at their previous clubs all they want is to pick up their inflated wages and they could not give a stuff about CP. AP will take us back to the championship with players who are past it or useless with a wage bill we cannot afford at that level and here we go again struggling for our survival
and existence. Those who want to keep AP in his job are misguided as his form is not supporting this!

You keep calling me a baby yet you publicly wanna have an argument to look special. It seems very strange to constantly comment on threads started by someone you decided you can't take seriously over a year ago. Seems like you care about my opinion a lot more than you make out.

We're the Arthur over ere!