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 Kermit8  Hevon 29 Nov 16 4.35pm |
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Considering this long great sulk by the US and the punitive measures/embargo placed on Cuba for the last 50plus years it sounds like it should be a lot worse. Antigua was a surprise. Third world island once you left the 5 star resorts. Was expecting a bit more parity wealth wise considering the kudos of the island but the locals don't see much investment for the money that is spent there that is obvious.
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 Hrolf The Ganger  29 Nov 16 4.37pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well the National Socialist Party of Germany wasn't entirely without achievement, and quite possibly if it had avoided suppression of the Jews, and getting into a European War, might well have survived longer than four years. The problem with most of our experiences of Far Right Oppressive regimes, is that they do have a nasty tendency to be good for us economically, rather than for the people of those countries most in need. Of course its tends to be problematic as well in that Cuba persecuted dissidents, and former regime members - on the whole - where as National Socialism persecuted people on the basis of being personal prejudice (which of course Cuba isn't itself innocent of either). Plus the holocaust tends to hang heavy in the west, where as the cruelty of pol pot, stalin and moa tends to be overlooked as remote, because it happened 'elsewhere' Well that's in part due to the Jewish lobby and media in the USA. During the war most people had no clue about the holocaust outside of those directly involved. It has hung over politics in the UK ever since as Hoof says. Stalin seems to have been let off the hook for his Jew murdering as I'm sure Castro will for murdering dissenters by the Left. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Nov 2016 4.37pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Nov 16 4.41pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
IMO Cubans have a better life than USA or UK and should be left to live peacefully without interference. Corbyn's view of Cuba is balanced and he has actually been there several times. I found it much the same when I was there he did talk about human rights too -however when talking about human rights the UK and USA really should be looking at themselves. People who live in greenhouses should not throw stones. Hahahhaha, I very much doubt that. Maybe those at the bottom of the social hierarchy might be better off in Cuba. Maybe if you live in Lafeyette Baltimore, parts of Detroit and are unemployed, Cuba is probably better. Also if you were poor and talented, you might be better off in Cuba, provided you weren't able to get a scholarship. But I'd be surprised if anyone in the UK who isn't actually homeless would actually be better off. Now if I was Hondurian or Mexican, and not born into a wealthy or middle class family, I'd be better off Cuban.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Nov 16 4.53pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Well that's in part due to the Jewish lobby and media in the USA. During the war most people had no clue about the holocaust outside of those directly involved. It has hung over politics in the UK ever since as Hoof says. Stalin seems to have been let off the hook for his Jew murdering as I'm sure Castro will for murdering dissenters by the Left. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Nov 2016 4.37pm) Hyperbole... The concentration camps were well known to the German people, as were the Ghettos. The death camps less so, but to say people weren't aware isn't true either. They didn't want to know, because they didn't want to believe. What did they really think was happening in the concentration camps? They knew something terrible was going on, they just didn't realise how terrible it was. What worries me, is that everyone seems to forget it wasn't just the Jews that were being murdered on mass. As for Stalin, f**k him, and Lenin and Trotsky, they saw human life as an expendable asset to be used up, and that doing so was fine, provided it served their purposes. Stalin wasn't even killing dissenters, just people who caught his attention. The bloke was a f**king Monster. So how many political dissenters did Castro murder, who hadn't actually committed real crimes? No one seems sure, and the numbers vary dramatically because there is no real consensus on whether they were innocent or guilty. There are plenty of those killed following the revolution and the bay of pigs that were a long way from innocent. But the state also criminally treated homosexuals and black Cubans, along with never moving on from that 'cold war paranoia'. Then again of course the US were quite prolific in their attempts to murder Castro, and to support any anti-Cuban terrorists. Definitely some, and for that Castro can never really be as Corbyn puts it a hero (and politics doesn't produce heroes anyway it produces selfish c**ts of people).
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| Kermit8 Hevon 29 Nov 16 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Well that's in part due to the Jewish lobby and media in the USA. During the war most people had no clue about the holocaust outside of those directly involved. It has hung over politics in the UK ever since as Hoof says. Stalin seems to have been let off the hook for his Jew murdering as I'm sure Castro will for murdering dissenters by the Left. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Nov 2016 4.37pm) Well, the Nazis were the enemy and they did industrialise genocide and kill our neighbours in Europe. It may also have something to do with Belsen being the same distance from London as Newcastle and add the return journey mileage and there's Auschwitz not far away. The horrifying nature of this Holocaust (there have been others) and its context is, however morbid and discomfiting, enduringly fascinating. Caught a doc about The Sonderkommandos the other day. Very difficult to watch but couldn't look away either.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Nov 16 4.58pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Considering this long great sulk by the US and the punitive measures/embargo placed on Cuba for the last 50plus years it sounds like it should be a lot worse. Oddly this may largely be down to the fact that Florida is a swing state, and appealing to the Cuban vote is necessary. Originally posted by Kermit8
Antigua was a surprise. Third world island once you left the 5 star resorts. Was expecting a bit more parity wealth wise considering the kudos of the island but the locals don't see much investment for the money that is spent there that is obvious. Pretty much the case for every cheap 'holiday destination in the world'. You don't have to get too far off the tracks to see how the majority live with little to no prospects, no education, welfare or provision in actual squalor, with little or no health provision beyond charities. Cuba, not so much. Its still a s**t hole, everyone is poor, but then they're also fed, sheltered, educated, literate and have access to health care.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 29 Nov 16 5.09pm |
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Antigua is the complete opposite of cheap if you want a holiday there. Two people? Kiss goodbye to six to eight grand for a fortnight.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 29 Nov 16 5.56pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Hahahhaha, I very much doubt that. Maybe those at the bottom of the social hierarchy might be better off in Cuba. Maybe if you live in Lafeyette Baltimore, parts of Detroit and are unemployed, Cuba is probably better. Also if you were poor and talented, you might be better off in Cuba, provided you weren't able to get a scholarship. But I'd be surprised if anyone in the UK who isn't actually homeless would actually be better off. Now if I was Hondurian or Mexican, and not born into a wealthy or middle class family, I'd be better off Cuban. Thanks I wrote that Cubans have a better life not that they are better off financially
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| matt_himself Matataland 29 Nov 16 5.58pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Considering this long great sulk by the US and the punitive measures/embargo placed on Cuba for the last 50plus years it sounds like it should be a lot worse. Antigua was a surprise. Third world island once you left the 5 star resorts. Was expecting a bit more parity wealth wise considering the kudos of the island but the locals don't see much investment for the money that is spent there that is obvious. They did suck the cock of paymasters, being the USSR and Venezuela. Which was hypocritical because in his early days, Castro rejected the notion that he was a Soviet communist but as soon as the US 'unreasonably' objected to nationalisation of their companies assets, Castro sucked the teet of Moscow, and threatened world peace by allowing scviet missiles on Cuban territory. Still, keep up your misty eyed, Cuban bollocks revisionist history. Whilst you engage in capitalist property speculation.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 16 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Well, the Nazis were the enemy and they did industrialise genocide and kill our neighbours in Europe. It may also have something to do with Belsen being the same distance from London as Newcastle and add the return journey mileage and there's Auschwitz not far away. The horrifying nature of this Holocaust (there have been others) and its context is, however morbid and discomfiting, enduringly fascinating. Caught a doc about The Sonderkommandos the other day. Very difficult to watch but couldn't look away either. Yes it's still deeply disturbing, but take a look on the news nightly and see those poor b******s in Allepo. That is going on right now. How long will that stay in the memory and the news I wonder. I doubt there will be too may documentaries about that in the future. Not many Syrians in Hollywood. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Nov 2016 6.12pm)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 29 Nov 16 7.27pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Yes it's still deeply disturbing, but take a look on the news nightly and see those poor b******s in Allepo. That is going on right now. How long will that stay in the memory and the news I wonder. I doubt there will be too may documentaries about that in the future. Not many Syrians in Hollywood. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Nov 2016 6.12pm) Lordy - you are not one of them Jewish media conspiracy theorists as well, are you? You are ticking off way too many boxes in the 'Are You of the Far Right?' survey at this moment. Don't tell me, there are a disproportionate amount of Jewish people who run the news/Hollywood. Yes, and....?
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| matt_himself Matataland 29 Nov 16 7.44pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Lordy - you are not one of them Jewish media conspiracy theorists as well, are you? You are ticking off way too many boxes in the 'Are You of the Far Right?' survey at this moment. Don't tell me, there are a disproportionate amount of Jewish people who run the news/Hollywood. Yes, and....? f*** me, you are desperate Michael.
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