Probably didn't articulate that well enough. In my opinion Moss should be dropped for the overall performance. In the same way you like to bang on about players and managers making mistakes - a player is dropped if he makes a lot and a manager is sacked. In my view, there were a fair few in that game, so I'd drop him - maybe only for a game or two, but time on the bench so to speak. That is a way to get standards up. You also often wax lyrical about 'one mistake' but that's because the ones in focus are the ones that tend to lead to goals etc. How about the overall inconsistency in approach to holding in the box at corners, free kicks given in the middle of the park when they'd not give a penalty for the same thing etc etc?

As to Clattenburg, if you take the time to read my post, the main question I am posing asks that with the low salary refs are on, compared to the rest of the game, in a cash rich sport - could there be temptation there? I am not implying corruption, just asking for thoughts. For example, should they earn more, should more technology be introduced - as both would remove the spectre of temptation (if it exists). I'm also not implying your man would ever take a back hander. That is clearly evidenced by his hair. Anyone with a few quid would have got that sorted, properly, in a salon and by a fully qualified and experienced stylist, I would suggest. Expensive but worth it.

Edited by Helmet46 (08 Oct 2016 9.20am)

Not even on his hair? You can't agree with that, surely?
Take him out of the equation - should they earn more?
And I make you wrong about inconsistency. I get very annoyed about incorrect decisions, both for and against my team as I am something of a purist. It's why I hate diving, simulation etc and would like to see instant bans and straight reds for it. (But, alas, I suspect different refs would interpret any new laws to that effect in different ways).

Edited by Helmet46 (08 Oct 2016 9.57am)

I read something in the paper last week, written by an ex ref that was basically saying Moss makes far to many mistakes and far to often. And that in his opinion he should be demoted and not ref any premier league matches for a while.

Now that was a hugely experienced ex ref talking about one of his own.

And yet you Willo as always defend defend defend. Even when it's obviously a costly error

People.....arguing with Willo about referees is somewhat akin to arguing with porridge...he will defend referees whatever the situation and will always try and deflect the argument by saying that players make mistakes too...yes Willo we know, and we also know that St mark of Clattenberg certainly seems to favour the better sides week in week out! However you will never admit that, even when you see it yourself..re cup final! He made two major errors, every pundit said so, ive had a man u fan here this week and he said we were cheated by the ref, you were/are the only voice defending him...why??? Moss made a big error and once again you defend the referee? I reckon you are a referee fan rather than a Palace fan, but if that floats your boat, fine. Just don't expect many to agree with you

It only became a "Big error" in many people's minds because our wall didn't jump !

As for defending Moss, I have said that numerous TV replays and super slow-mos confirmed there was no contact but the referee never had the advantage of seeing them and in real-time it did look as though contact had been made.If Lukaku hadn't have scored we wouldn't be having any discussion, nor Moss pilloried for making what you term a "Big error".

It only became a "Big error" in many people's minds because our wall didn't jump !

As for defending Moss, I have said that numerous TV replays and super slow-mos confirmed there was no contact but the referee never had the advantage of seeing them and in real-time it did look as though contact had been made.If Lukaku hadn't have scored we wouldn't be having any discussion, nor Moss pilloried for making what you term a "Big error".