So nothing to do with the TTIP and the fact that if our nhs goes private it will be brought out by American pharmaceutical companies who will run and profit out of our health care system. Of course not.

Brexit = Messing up the economy thus affecting our own citizens as well as limiting our kids futures. It also increases the chances of future conflict and will mean putting up barriers so again stifling the next generations. For what? Some delusional sense of empowerment and pursuit of a victory most pyrrhic.

That's what our fellow Nigel Palace fan stands for.

The more enlightened Brexiters realise that leaving is going to have a negative impact immediately but they really don't seem to care. Nige is one of them. Theirs is more a warped and destructive nationalistic agenda in the guise of patriotism and identity and freedom.

At the end of the day they just don't like being part of Europe whether or not it has generally been good for us bigger picture scenario. And it has. In spades.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Well put.
The stark reality is that the median household income for fy2014 was £23,556 (assuming 2 adult incomes and inluding both full and part time employees). The treasury estimates that in the event of brexit each household would on average be worse off by £4,300 i.e. be around 18% worse off.!!!!! Better cancel that holiday then, cant even afford thd newly imposed import duties on my bottle of booze.
The consequent reduction in gdp will nean less revenue for government spending and therefore less money for public services i.e money for schools, education, pensions etc will be cut, unless we raise taxes.....there goes the new car!!!
Purely on economic grounds the idea of brexit just doesnt add up and is arguably irrational.
The idea of reduced opportunity for businesses and fewer opportunities for our kids/grandkids makes the proposition almost ludicrous.
I havnt even mentioned peace, negotiating power on the world stage and many more...
Vote remain

I take one look at the kind of people praising the virtues of remaining and it convinces me still further to vote Leave.

To be fair that argument can be applied to the stay or leave campaign. Given the consequences of the vote the campaign has been bloody awful. We as a country should be embarrassed.

An entirely non-exhaustive list of reason:

1) Peace. Increasing cultural, economic and political ties with fellow EU states has helped secure the longest peace time in Europe since the Roman Empire. It would be folly to understate the role the EU has played in maintaining peace on the 100th anniversary of the Battle of the Somme where no few than 60,000 British men on the first day were marched to their death.

2) Economic success. Millions of jobs directly reliant on free trade with the EU. Talk of trade deals with around the world are not likely and will take time even if they do happen.

3) Cheaper costs - no roaming charges for phones coming in soon, cheaper imports, cheaper labourers (admitedly at the expense of some people - but what doesn't have winners and losers?).

4) Increased global influence and sway. Does anyone really think in 100, 50 or even 10 years any of the future world powers would listen to us without the considerable sway we hold within Europe? The largest common market in the world. When America, China and India walk to us it is largely because we are a leading member of the EU, not because we are aging Britain.

5) Fiscal contribution made by immigrants - blame government for poor planning not migrants coming here to work hard and get on.

6) Financial markets. Upon leaving, perceived riskiness of UK government debt will rise and so will the interest we pay on it - for any economists out there this just means higher taxes in the future (Ricardian Equivalence).

I could go on etc etc.

I am not saying the EU is faultless and certain groups haven't lost out by being a member.

When you stand in the booth to place your vote, think will I be better or worse off for Britain remaining or leaving? What about my children and their children after them? There can be only one sensible answer.

Remain.

Edited by big_palace_fan (01 May 2016 6.44pm)