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If Labour had won the Scottish seats, no one would have won the election.
The Conservatives won an electable majority on their own to govern. Giving Labour another 51 seats would change nothing. Opps quite right - I misread the number. I thought the difference was a lot closer. 12 seats above the majority, not by 12 seats. Sorry.
I was a lot closer. Tories 37% of the vote Labour 31%. Hardly a landside Considering the fact that if they hadn't existed that most of Ukip's votes would have gone to the Tories....the underlying tale is that this was a massive rejection of Labour at a time where the working class isn't doing that well.
Your second point is undoubtedly true. My point was that there is all to play for if only Labour can elect a leader and re-find its identity as something other than nice-tories
If Labour was the only option on the voting slip I would have spoiled my paper. Labour are a busted flush whoever they vote in as leader, but if I had to choose one of the current options then Burnham would offer the most hope. Corbyn would be as bad a choice as Michael Foot was.
Essentially the UKIP vote is a working class vote - not entirely but largely. That vote will return to Labour. Some will vote tory but only the minority But Labour does need to get its act together
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If Labour had won the Scottish seats, no one would have won the election.
The Conservatives won an electable majority on their own to govern. Giving Labour another 51 seats would change nothing. Opps quite right - I misread the number. I thought the difference was a lot closer. 12 seats above the majority, not by 12 seats. Sorry.
I was a lot closer. Tories 37% of the vote Labour 31%. Hardly a landside Considering the fact that if they hadn't existed that most of Ukip's votes would have gone to the Tories....the underlying tale is that this was a massive rejection of Labour at a time where the working class isn't doing that well.
Your second point is undoubtedly true. My point was that there is all to play for if only Labour can elect a leader and re-find its identity as something other than nice-tories I think you are spot-on, the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite. The present leadership battle is interesting because there seems to be such a disconnect between the MPs and the wider party members, who a clearly agitating for a move back to the left. I would also add that blairs speech the other day has only increased support for Corbyn. So these Labour voters did not vote Labour because they were not left wing enough, then voted for a right wing UKIP party?
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If Labour had won the Scottish seats, no one would have won the election.
The Conservatives won an electable majority on their own to govern. Giving Labour another 51 seats would change nothing. Opps quite right - I misread the number. I thought the difference was a lot closer. 12 seats above the majority, not by 12 seats. Sorry.
I was a lot closer. Tories 37% of the vote Labour 31%. Hardly a landside Considering the fact that if they hadn't existed that most of Ukip's votes would have gone to the Tories....the underlying tale is that this was a massive rejection of Labour at a time where the working class isn't doing that well.
Your second point is undoubtedly true. My point was that there is all to play for if only Labour can elect a leader and re-find its identity as something other than nice-tories I think you are spot-on, the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite. The present leadership battle is interesting because there seems to be such a disconnect between the MPs and the wider party members, who a clearly agitating for a move back to the left. I would also add that blairs speech the other day has only increased support for Corbyn. So these Labour voters did not vote Labour because they were not left wing enough, then voted for a right wing UKIP party? No.
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 23 Jul 15 6.24pm |
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If Labour had won the Scottish seats, no one would have won the election.
The Conservatives won an electable majority on their own to govern. Giving Labour another 51 seats would change nothing. Opps quite right - I misread the number. I thought the difference was a lot closer. 12 seats above the majority, not by 12 seats. Sorry.
I was a lot closer. Tories 37% of the vote Labour 31%. Hardly a landside Considering the fact that if they hadn't existed that most of Ukip's votes would have gone to the Tories....the underlying tale is that this was a massive rejection of Labour at a time where the working class isn't doing that well.
Your second point is undoubtedly true. My point was that there is all to play for if only Labour can elect a leader and re-find its identity as something other than nice-tories I think you are spot-on, the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite. The present leadership battle is interesting because there seems to be such a disconnect between the MPs and the wider party members, who a clearly agitating for a move back to the left. I would also add that blairs speech the other day has only increased support for Corbyn. So these Labour voters did not vote Labour because they were not left wing enough, then voted for a right wing UKIP party? No. You just said they lost because they were too Tory!
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If Labour had won the Scottish seats, no one would have won the election.
The Conservatives won an electable majority on their own to govern. Giving Labour another 51 seats would change nothing. Opps quite right - I misread the number. I thought the difference was a lot closer. 12 seats above the majority, not by 12 seats. Sorry.
I was a lot closer. Tories 37% of the vote Labour 31%. Hardly a landside Considering the fact that if they hadn't existed that most of Ukip's votes would have gone to the Tories....the underlying tale is that this was a massive rejection of Labour at a time where the working class isn't doing that well.
Your second point is undoubtedly true. My point was that there is all to play for if only Labour can elect a leader and re-find its identity as something other than nice-tories I think you are spot-on, the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite. The present leadership battle is interesting because there seems to be such a disconnect between the MPs and the wider party members, who a clearly agitating for a move back to the left. I would also add that blairs speech the other day has only increased support for Corbyn. So these Labour voters did not vote Labour because they were not left wing enough, then voted for a right wing UKIP party?
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Not all labour voters are party members. The latter are calling for a movement to the left, but this is not necessarily reflected in the wider labour leaning electorate. The working class cannot be defined by the same criteria as a hundred years ago; great numbers of working people with mortgages, school and tuition fees etc. have different worries and concerns and may feel disconnected from far left dogma. For me, labour need to find a way to reassure this "working middle class" without just looking like a cheap copy of the Tories.
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If Labour had won the Scottish seats, no one would have won the election.
The Conservatives won an electable majority on their own to govern. Giving Labour another 51 seats would change nothing. Opps quite right - I misread the number. I thought the difference was a lot closer. 12 seats above the majority, not by 12 seats. Sorry.
I was a lot closer. Tories 37% of the vote Labour 31%. Hardly a landside Considering the fact that if they hadn't existed that most of Ukip's votes would have gone to the Tories....the underlying tale is that this was a massive rejection of Labour at a time where the working class isn't doing that well.
Your second point is undoubtedly true. My point was that there is all to play for if only Labour can elect a leader and re-find its identity as something other than nice-tories I think you are spot-on, the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite. The present leadership battle is interesting because there seems to be such a disconnect between the MPs and the wider party members, who a clearly agitating for a move back to the left. I would also add that blairs speech the other day has only increased support for Corbyn. So these Labour voters did not vote Labour because they were not left wing enough, then voted for a right wing UKIP party? No. You just said they lost because they were too Tory! Please try harder, and also try reading what is actually written. It is a great aid to debate.
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 23 Jul 15 6.46pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jul 2015 12.01pm
If Labour had won the Scottish seats, no one would have won the election.
The Conservatives won an electable majority on their own to govern. Giving Labour another 51 seats would change nothing. Opps quite right - I misread the number. I thought the difference was a lot closer. 12 seats above the majority, not by 12 seats. Sorry.
I was a lot closer. Tories 37% of the vote Labour 31%. Hardly a landside Considering the fact that if they hadn't existed that most of Ukip's votes would have gone to the Tories....the underlying tale is that this was a massive rejection of Labour at a time where the working class isn't doing that well.
Your second point is undoubtedly true. My point was that there is all to play for if only Labour can elect a leader and re-find its identity as something other than nice-tories I think you are spot-on, the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite. The present leadership battle is interesting because there seems to be such a disconnect between the MPs and the wider party members, who a clearly agitating for a move back to the left. I would also add that blairs speech the other day has only increased support for Corbyn. So these Labour voters did not vote Labour because they were not left wing enough, then voted for a right wing UKIP party? No. You just said they lost because they were too Tory! Please try harder, and also try reading what is actually written. It is a great aid to debate. A quote from your post above: the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite.
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If Labour had won the Scottish seats, no one would have won the election.
The Conservatives won an electable majority on their own to govern. Giving Labour another 51 seats would change nothing. Opps quite right - I misread the number. I thought the difference was a lot closer. 12 seats above the majority, not by 12 seats. Sorry.
I was a lot closer. Tories 37% of the vote Labour 31%. Hardly a landside Considering the fact that if they hadn't existed that most of Ukip's votes would have gone to the Tories....the underlying tale is that this was a massive rejection of Labour at a time where the working class isn't doing that well.
Your second point is undoubtedly true. My point was that there is all to play for if only Labour can elect a leader and re-find its identity as something other than nice-tories I think you are spot-on, the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite. The present leadership battle is interesting because there seems to be such a disconnect between the MPs and the wider party members, who a clearly agitating for a move back to the left. I would also add that blairs speech the other day has only increased support for Corbyn. So these Labour voters did not vote Labour because they were not left wing enough, then voted for a right wing UKIP party? No. You just said they lost because they were too Tory! Please try harder, and also try reading what is actually written. It is a great aid to debate. A quote from your post above: the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Jul 2015 11.15am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Jul 2015 10.15am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jul 2015 12.01pm
If Labour had won the Scottish seats, no one would have won the election.
The Conservatives won an electable majority on their own to govern. Giving Labour another 51 seats would change nothing. Opps quite right - I misread the number. I thought the difference was a lot closer. 12 seats above the majority, not by 12 seats. Sorry.
I was a lot closer. Tories 37% of the vote Labour 31%. Hardly a landside Considering the fact that if they hadn't existed that most of Ukip's votes would have gone to the Tories....the underlying tale is that this was a massive rejection of Labour at a time where the working class isn't doing that well.
Your second point is undoubtedly true. My point was that there is all to play for if only Labour can elect a leader and re-find its identity as something other than nice-tories I think you are spot-on, the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite. The present leadership battle is interesting because there seems to be such a disconnect between the MPs and the wider party members, who a clearly agitating for a move back to the left. I would also add that blairs speech the other day has only increased support for Corbyn. So these Labour voters did not vote Labour because they were not left wing enough, then voted for a right wing UKIP party? No. You just said they lost because they were too Tory! Please try harder, and also try reading what is actually written. It is a great aid to debate. A quote from your post above: the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite.
Why do you think people who usually vote Labour did not at the General Election?
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jul 2015 12.01pm
If Labour had won the Scottish seats, no one would have won the election.
The Conservatives won an electable majority on their own to govern. Giving Labour another 51 seats would change nothing. Opps quite right - I misread the number. I thought the difference was a lot closer. 12 seats above the majority, not by 12 seats. Sorry.
I was a lot closer. Tories 37% of the vote Labour 31%. Hardly a landside Considering the fact that if they hadn't existed that most of Ukip's votes would have gone to the Tories....the underlying tale is that this was a massive rejection of Labour at a time where the working class isn't doing that well.
Your second point is undoubtedly true. My point was that there is all to play for if only Labour can elect a leader and re-find its identity as something other than nice-tories I think you are spot-on, the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite. The present leadership battle is interesting because there seems to be such a disconnect between the MPs and the wider party members, who a clearly agitating for a move back to the left. I would also add that blairs speech the other day has only increased support for Corbyn. So these Labour voters did not vote Labour because they were not left wing enough, then voted for a right wing UKIP party? No. You just said they lost because they were too Tory! Please try harder, and also try reading what is actually written. It is a great aid to debate. A quote from your post above: the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite.
Why do you think people who usually vote Labour did not at the General Election? I didn't vote labour because they were not left wing enough.
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| fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 23 Jul 15 7.40pm |
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If Labour had won the Scottish seats, no one would have won the election.
The Conservatives won an electable majority on their own to govern. Giving Labour another 51 seats would change nothing. Opps quite right - I misread the number. I thought the difference was a lot closer. 12 seats above the majority, not by 12 seats. Sorry.
I was a lot closer. Tories 37% of the vote Labour 31%. Hardly a landside Considering the fact that if they hadn't existed that most of Ukip's votes would have gone to the Tories....the underlying tale is that this was a massive rejection of Labour at a time where the working class isn't doing that well.
Your second point is undoubtedly true. My point was that there is all to play for if only Labour can elect a leader and re-find its identity as something other than nice-tories I think you are spot-on, the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite. The present leadership battle is interesting because there seems to be such a disconnect between the MPs and the wider party members, who a clearly agitating for a move back to the left. I would also add that blairs speech the other day has only increased support for Corbyn. So these Labour voters did not vote Labour because they were not left wing enough, then voted for a right wing UKIP party? No. You just said they lost because they were too Tory! Please try harder, and also try reading what is actually written. It is a great aid to debate. A quote from your post above: the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite.
Why do you think people who usually vote Labour did not at the General Election? Because even they are waking up to the fact that Labour are a bunch of jokers who have totally trashed this once great country.
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