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thegreatlardino crawley/selsey 14 Apr 15 10.05am
this must be the first election where i really am so bored of it all, all slagging each other of, theres no scandal, even the torygraph's story with mrs krankie prefering cameron has disappeared down the toilet....all very very dull Sometimes I set out for Ludlow Sometimes I end up in Chepstow
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this must be the first election where i really am so bored of it all, all slagging each other of, theres no scandal, even the torygraph's story with mrs krankie prefering cameron has disappeared down the toilet....all very very dull

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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 14 Apr 15 11.13am
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 14 Apr 2015 8.08am Quote crystal balls at 14 Apr 2015 6.59am Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Apr 2015 11.00pm Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.48pm Quote beagle at 13 Apr 2015 10.40pm Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.32pm Some food for thought. (intended to be anti Tory rather than pro Labour) 1. Under Labour, there was a deficit of roughly £36 billion. None of our leaders on any side of electoral politics said it was a problem. 2. There was a worldwide banking and finance crisis. 3. The deficit shot up. 4. The Tories cooked up the idea that this high deficit was caused by Labour's deficit and not by the banking crisis. Not even Mervyn King ex boss of the Bank of England believes this. 5. The Tories cooked up the idea that the way to bring this high deficit down was to cut wages, cut welfare, cut public services. 6. When that didn't work, they've spent some more government money and printed £350 billion. That has hardly worked either. 7. The super-rich have got super-richer, the poor have got poorer, a lot of people in between have stood still or lost in real terms against prices. Some think that has been the real aim of deficit-talk and austerity. Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm) Guardian reckoned that was a good thing. [Link] Someone from the bank of england carries out a study of something the bank of england did and says it's great shocker. Are you kidding me? without Quantitative easing this country would be like Greece. In fact, it’s a bloody good job that we kept the pound. Had we gone over to the Euro as Labour wished then we could not have printed any money and our debt would be, as you say, another 350 billion bigger than it is today. The UK would never in a million years have been like Greece; that is total bollocks. Greek debt is largely very short term and needs to be rolled over every few months. They have recently repaid 1.4bn euro debt, but borrowed another 2.1bn which will need to be repaid in 6 MONTHS... The average UK debt term is 13 YEARS.... a whole different ballgame. And Labour didn't wish to go over to the Euro, that was the position of John Major's government when Norman Lamont was chancellor. Say what you like about Gordon Brown, but he put in place the 5 conditions that were required before joining the Euro, safe in the knowledge that the chances of all 5 happening were akin to winning the lottery twice. Quantative easing is largely what the massively increased debt consists of. You're not an economist, are you? So to answer Nicks point that he thought quantatitive easing did not work, do you agree with this or not? Well to be fair, he didn't say QE didn't work, he said hardly worked, which is an opinion, as the full effects won't play out for several years yet. It could be argued that QE prevented the economy entering a deflationary/low growth spiral, with disastrous consequences, rather like Japan has experienced from the 90s until recently. But UK inflation is poised to show negative growth over the next few months; how long will that last? Alan Greenspan reckoned that QE had very little impact on the economy, others would argue the opposite. Japan and Europe have both commenced a QE programme in recent years, so they must reckon it has worked, and will work for them too. I used to be immortal
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 14 Apr 2015 8.08am

Quote crystal balls at 14 Apr 2015 6.59am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Apr 2015 11.00pm

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.48pm

Quote beagle at 13 Apr 2015 10.40pm

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.32pm

Some food for thought.
(intended to be anti Tory rather than pro Labour)
1. Under Labour, there was a deficit of roughly £36 billion. None of our leaders on any side of electoral politics said it was a problem.
2. There was a worldwide banking and finance crisis.
3. The deficit shot up.
4. The Tories cooked up the idea that this high deficit was caused by Labour's deficit and not by the banking crisis. Not even Mervyn King ex boss of the Bank of England believes this.
5. The Tories cooked up the idea that the way to bring this high deficit down was to cut wages, cut welfare, cut public services.
6. When that didn't work, they've spent some more government money and printed £350 billion. That has hardly worked either.
7. The super-rich have got super-richer, the poor have got poorer, a lot of people in between have stood still or lost in real terms against prices. Some think that has been the real aim of deficit-talk and austerity.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm)

Guardian reckoned that was a good thing.
[Link]

Someone from the bank of england carries out a study of something the bank of england did and says it's great shocker.

Are you kidding me? without Quantitative easing this country would be like Greece. In fact, it’s a bloody good job that we kept the pound. Had we gone over to the Euro as Labour wished then we could not have printed any money and our debt would be, as you say, another 350 billion bigger than it is today.

The UK would never in a million years have been like Greece; that is total bollocks. Greek debt is largely very short term and needs to be rolled over every few months. They have recently repaid 1.4bn euro debt, but borrowed another 2.1bn which will need to be repaid in 6 MONTHS... The average UK debt term is 13 YEARS.... a whole different ballgame.

And Labour didn't wish to go over to the Euro, that was the position of John Major's government when Norman Lamont was chancellor. Say what you like about Gordon Brown, but he put in place the 5 conditions that were required before joining the Euro, safe in the knowledge that the chances of all 5 happening were akin to winning the lottery twice.

Quantative easing is largely what the massively increased debt consists of. You're not an economist, are you?

So to answer Nicks point that he thought quantatitive easing did not work, do you agree with this or not?

Well to be fair, he didn't say QE didn't work, he said hardly worked, which is an opinion, as the full effects won't play out for several years yet. It could be argued that QE prevented the economy entering a deflationary/low growth spiral, with disastrous consequences, rather like Japan has experienced from the 90s until recently. But UK inflation is poised to show negative growth over the next few months; how long will that last?

Alan Greenspan reckoned that QE had very little impact on the economy, others would argue the opposite. Japan and Europe have both commenced a QE programme in recent years, so they must reckon it has worked, and will work for them too.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 14 Apr 15 12.14pm
Quote Anerley-Fried-Eagle at 14 Apr 2015 8.00am I've never known a duller election campaign or a worser time in british politics. None of the parties have anything positive to day on any of the main issues. The tory idiots latest policy? Bring back the right to buy. Yes kids thats the same housing policy that stigmatised the council tennant, that poured petrol on the then already smouldering housing market, and that failed to plan or build for future generations. They say this time that every house sold under RTB will be replaced on a "one for one basis". But how? When? By whom? And for how much???? Who writes this stuff? Edited by Anerley-Fried-Eagle (14 Apr 2015 8.01am) Yep - just read the Beeb website and the Greens and Tory manifestos - both dribbling piles of lies, stupidity and the unachievable - which I am sure is echoed in UKIP's, Labours and Libs.... As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Quote Anerley-Fried-Eagle at 14 Apr 2015 8.00am

I've never known a duller election campaign or a worser time in british politics. None of the parties have anything positive to day on any of the main issues.

The tory idiots latest policy? Bring back the right to buy. Yes kids thats the same housing policy that stigmatised the council tennant, that poured petrol on the then already smouldering housing market, and that failed to plan or build for future generations.

They say this time that every house sold under RTB will be replaced on a "one for one basis". But how? When? By whom? And for how much????

Who writes this stuff?

Edited by Anerley-Fried-Eagle (14 Apr 2015 8.01am)

Yep - just read the Beeb website and the Greens and Tory manifestos - both dribbling piles of lies, stupidity and the unachievable - which I am sure is echoed in UKIP's, Labours and Libs....

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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imbored UK 14 Apr 15 12.22pm
Quote The Sash at 14 Apr 2015 12.14pm Quote Anerley-Fried-Eagle at 14 Apr 2015 8.00am I've never known a duller election campaign or a worser time in british politics. None of the parties have anything positive to day on any of the main issues. The tory idiots latest policy? Bring back the right to buy. Yes kids thats the same housing policy that stigmatised the council tennant, that poured petrol on the then already smouldering housing market, and that failed to plan or build for future generations. They say this time that every house sold under RTB will be replaced on a "one for one basis". But how? When? By whom? And for how much???? Who writes this stuff? Edited by Anerley-Fried-Eagle (14 Apr 2015 8.01am) Yep - just read the Beeb website and the Greens and Tory manifestos - both dribbling piles of lies, stupidity and the unachievable - which I am sure is echoed in UKIP's, Labours and Libs.... Voting in this election is like choosing which steaming pile of s*** to have your face pushed into. Edited by imbored (14 Apr 2015 12.28pm)
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Quote The Sash at 14 Apr 2015 12.14pm

Quote Anerley-Fried-Eagle at 14 Apr 2015 8.00am

I've never known a duller election campaign or a worser time in british politics. None of the parties have anything positive to day on any of the main issues.

They say this time that every house sold under RTB will be replaced on a "one for one basis". But how? When? By whom? And for how much????

Who writes this stuff?

Edited by Anerley-Fried-Eagle (14 Apr 2015 8.01am)

Yep - just read the Beeb website and the Greens and Tory manifestos - both dribbling piles of lies, stupidity and the unachievable - which I am sure is echoed in UKIP's, Labours and Libs....

Voting in this election is like choosing which steaming pile of s*** to have your face pushed into.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 14 Apr 15 12.32pm
Quote imbored at 14 Apr 2015 12.22pm Quote The Sash at 14 Apr 2015 12.14pm Quote Anerley-Fried-Eagle at 14 Apr 2015 8.00am I've never known a duller election campaign or a worser time in british politics. None of the parties have anything positive to day on any of the main issues. The tory idiots latest policy? Bring back the right to buy. Yes kids thats the same housing policy that stigmatised the council tennant, that poured petrol on the then already smouldering housing market, and that failed to plan or build for future generations. They say this time that every house sold under RTB will be replaced on a "one for one basis". But how? When? By whom? And for how much???? Who writes this stuff? Edited by Anerley-Fried-Eagle (14 Apr 2015 8.01am) Yep - just read the Beeb website and the Greens and Tory manifestos - both dribbling piles of lies, stupidity and the unachievable - which I am sure is echoed in UKIP's, Labours and Libs.... Voting in this election is like choosing which steaming pile of s*** to have your face pushed into. Edited by imbored (14 Apr 2015 12.28pm) Which is why I don't.. As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 14 Apr 15 12.32pm

Quote imbored at 14 Apr 2015 12.22pm

Quote The Sash at 14 Apr 2015 12.14pm

Quote Anerley-Fried-Eagle at 14 Apr 2015 8.00am

I've never known a duller election campaign or a worser time in british politics. None of the parties have anything positive to day on any of the main issues.

They say this time that every house sold under RTB will be replaced on a "one for one basis". But how? When? By whom? And for how much????

Who writes this stuff?

Edited by Anerley-Fried-Eagle (14 Apr 2015 8.01am)

Yep - just read the Beeb website and the Greens and Tory manifestos - both dribbling piles of lies, stupidity and the unachievable - which I am sure is echoed in UKIP's, Labours and Libs....

Voting in this election is like choosing which steaming pile of s*** to have your face pushed into.

Edited by imbored (14 Apr 2015 12.28pm)

Which is why I don't..

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 14 Apr 15 12.49pm
Quote crystal balls at 14 Apr 2015 11.13am Quote Tom-the-eagle at 14 Apr 2015 8.08am Quote crystal balls at 14 Apr 2015 6.59am Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Apr 2015 11.00pm Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.48pm Quote beagle at 13 Apr 2015 10.40pm Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.32pm Some food for thought. (intended to be anti Tory rather than pro Labour) 1. Under Labour, there was a deficit of roughly £36 billion. None of our leaders on any side of electoral politics said it was a problem. 2. There was a worldwide banking and finance crisis. 3. The deficit shot up. 4. The Tories cooked up the idea that this high deficit was caused by Labour's deficit and not by the banking crisis. Not even Mervyn King ex boss of the Bank of England believes this. 5. The Tories cooked up the idea that the way to bring this high deficit down was to cut wages, cut welfare, cut public services. 6. When that didn't work, they've spent some more government money and printed £350 billion. That has hardly worked either. 7. The super-rich have got super-richer, the poor have got poorer, a lot of people in between have stood still or lost in real terms against prices. Some think that has been the real aim of deficit-talk and austerity. Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm) Guardian reckoned that was a good thing. [Link] Someone from the bank of england carries out a study of something the bank of england did and says it's great shocker. Are you kidding me? without Quantitative easing this country would be like Greece. In fact, it’s a bloody good job that we kept the pound. Had we gone over to the Euro as Labour wished then we could not have printed any money and our debt would be, as you say, another 350 billion bigger than it is today. The UK would never in a million years have been like Greece; that is total bollocks. Greek debt is largely very short term and needs to be rolled over every few months. They have recently repaid 1.4bn euro debt, but borrowed another 2.1bn which will need to be repaid in 6 MONTHS... The average UK debt term is 13 YEARS.... a whole different ballgame. And Labour didn't wish to go over to the Euro, that was the position of John Major's government when Norman Lamont was chancellor. Say what you like about Gordon Brown, but he put in place the 5 conditions that were required before joining the Euro, safe in the knowledge that the chances of all 5 happening were akin to winning the lottery twice. Quantative easing is largely what the massively increased debt consists of. You're not an economist, are you? So to answer Nicks point that he thought quantatitive easing did not work, do you agree with this or not? Well to be fair, he didn't say QE didn't work, he said hardly worked, which is an opinion, as the full effects won't play out for several years yet. It could be argued that QE prevented the economy entering a deflationary/low growth spiral, with disastrous consequences, rather like Japan has experienced from the 90s until recently. But UK inflation is poised to show negative growth over the next few months; how long will that last? Alan Greenspan reckoned that QE had very little impact on the economy, others would argue the opposite. Japan and Europe have both commenced a QE programme in recent years, so they must reckon it has worked, and will work for them too. Yes so you basically with me then! And by the way, next time you reply to one of my threads mate (which you seem to enjoy doing) I would prefer if you didn't say I was talking bollocks. We are all entitled to our opinions and whilst ours may differ I still respect yours. You wouldn’t speak to me like that in person so don’t do it over the internet. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 14 Apr 15 12.49pm

Quote crystal balls at 14 Apr 2015 11.13am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 14 Apr 2015 8.08am

Quote crystal balls at 14 Apr 2015 6.59am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Apr 2015 11.00pm

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.48pm

Quote beagle at 13 Apr 2015 10.40pm

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.32pm

Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm)

Guardian reckoned that was a good thing.
[Link]

Someone from the bank of england carries out a study of something the bank of england did and says it's great shocker.

Quantative easing is largely what the massively increased debt consists of. You're not an economist, are you?

So to answer Nicks point that he thought quantatitive easing did not work, do you agree with this or not?

Yes so you basically with me then! And by the way, next time you reply to one of my threads mate (which you seem to enjoy doing) I would prefer if you didn't say I was talking bollocks. We are all entitled to our opinions and whilst ours may differ I still respect yours. You wouldn’t speak to me like that in person so don’t do it over the internet.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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imbored UK 14 Apr 15 1.05pm
Quote The Sash at 14 Apr 2015 12.32pm Quote imbored at 14 Apr 2015 12.22pm Quote The Sash at 14 Apr 2015 12.14pm Quote Anerley-Fried-Eagle at 14 Apr 2015 8.00am I've never known a duller election campaign or a worser time in british politics. None of the parties have anything positive to day on any of the main issues. The tory idiots latest policy? Bring back the right to buy. Yes kids thats the same housing policy that stigmatised the council tennant, that poured petrol on the then already smouldering housing market, and that failed to plan or build for future generations. They say this time that every house sold under RTB will be replaced on a "one for one basis". But how? When? By whom? And for how much???? Who writes this stuff? Edited by Anerley-Fried-Eagle (14 Apr 2015 8.01am) Yep - just read the Beeb website and the Greens and Tory manifestos - both dribbling piles of lies, stupidity and the unachievable - which I am sure is echoed in UKIP's, Labours and Libs.... Voting in this election is like choosing which steaming pile of s*** to have your face pushed into. Edited by imbored (14 Apr 2015 12.28pm) Which is why I don't.. I can't say I blame you.
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Quote Anerley-Fried-Eagle at 14 Apr 2015 8.00am

I've never known a duller election campaign or a worser time in british politics. None of the parties have anything positive to day on any of the main issues.

They say this time that every house sold under RTB will be replaced on a "one for one basis". But how? When? By whom? And for how much????

Who writes this stuff?

Edited by Anerley-Fried-Eagle (14 Apr 2015 8.01am)

Yep - just read the Beeb website and the Greens and Tory manifestos - both dribbling piles of lies, stupidity and the unachievable - which I am sure is echoed in UKIP's, Labours and Libs....

Voting in this election is like choosing which steaming pile of s*** to have your face pushed into.

Edited by imbored (14 Apr 2015 12.28pm)

Which is why I don't..

I can't say I blame you.

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Lyons550 Shirley 14 Apr 15 2.28pm
Quote nickgusset at 12 Apr 2015 2.39pm I don't think one hundred leading doctors writing a joint letter about the state of the NHS is scaremongering. TBF if it takes 100 doctors to write a letter than the NHS is in a far worse state than any of us could've realised!!! The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Quote nickgusset at 12 Apr 2015 2.39pm

I don't think one hundred leading doctors writing a joint letter about the state of the NHS is scaremongering.

TBF if it takes 100 doctors to write a letter than the NHS is in a far worse state than any of us could've realised!!!

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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 14 Apr 15 2.31pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 14 Apr 2015 12.49pm Quote crystal balls at 14 Apr 2015 11.13am Quote Tom-the-eagle at 14 Apr 2015 8.08am Quote crystal balls at 14 Apr 2015 6.59am Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Apr 2015 11.00pm Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.48pm Quote beagle at 13 Apr 2015 10.40pm Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.32pm Some food for thought. (intended to be anti Tory rather than pro Labour) 1. Under Labour, there was a deficit of roughly £36 billion. None of our leaders on any side of electoral politics said it was a problem. 2. There was a worldwide banking and finance crisis. 3. The deficit shot up. 4. The Tories cooked up the idea that this high deficit was caused by Labour's deficit and not by the banking crisis. Not even Mervyn King ex boss of the Bank of England believes this. 5. The Tories cooked up the idea that the way to bring this high deficit down was to cut wages, cut welfare, cut public services. 6. When that didn't work, they've spent some more government money and printed £350 billion. That has hardly worked either. 7. The super-rich have got super-richer, the poor have got poorer, a lot of people in between have stood still or lost in real terms against prices. Some think that has been the real aim of deficit-talk and austerity. Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm) Guardian reckoned that was a good thing. [Link] Someone from the bank of england carries out a study of something the bank of england did and says it's great shocker. Are you kidding me? without Quantitative easing this country would be like Greece. In fact, it’s a bloody good job that we kept the pound. Had we gone over to the Euro as Labour wished then we could not have printed any money and our debt would be, as you say, another 350 billion bigger than it is today. The UK would never in a million years have been like Greece; that is total bollocks. Greek debt is largely very short term and needs to be rolled over every few months. They have recently repaid 1.4bn euro debt, but borrowed another 2.1bn which will need to be repaid in 6 MONTHS... The average UK debt term is 13 YEARS.... a whole different ballgame. And Labour didn't wish to go over to the Euro, that was the position of John Major's government when Norman Lamont was chancellor. Say what you like about Gordon Brown, but he put in place the 5 conditions that were required before joining the Euro, safe in the knowledge that the chances of all 5 happening were akin to winning the lottery twice. Quantative easing is largely what the massively increased debt consists of. You're not an economist, are you? So to answer Nicks point that he thought quantatitive easing did not work, do you agree with this or not? Well to be fair, he didn't say QE didn't work, he said hardly worked, which is an opinion, as the full effects won't play out for several years yet. It could be argued that QE prevented the economy entering a deflationary/low growth spiral, with disastrous consequences, rather like Japan has experienced from the 90s until recently. But UK inflation is poised to show negative growth over the next few months; how long will that last? Alan Greenspan reckoned that QE had very little impact on the economy, others would argue the opposite. Japan and Europe have both commenced a QE programme in recent years, so they must reckon it has worked, and will work for them too. Yes so you basically with me then! And by the way, next time you reply to one of my threads mate (which you seem to enjoy doing) I would prefer if you didn't say I was talking bollocks. We are all entitled to our opinions and whilst ours may differ I still respect yours. You wouldn’t speak to me like that in person so don’t do it over the internet. The bollocks I referred to was your view that the UK economy would be in the same state as the Greek economy without QE; that is bollocks, but if the term offends you substitute it with ill-informed nonsense or something similar. So no; I don't agree with you, mate. Nor does Alan Greenspan, or many other economists. They are closer to Nick's view. And I wasn't aware that I had replied to any of your posts before today. I used to be immortal
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 14 Apr 2015 12.49pm

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Quote crystal balls at 14 Apr 2015 6.59am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Apr 2015 11.00pm

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Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm)

Guardian reckoned that was a good thing.
[Link]

Someone from the bank of england carries out a study of something the bank of england did and says it's great shocker.

Quantative easing is largely what the massively increased debt consists of. You're not an economist, are you?

So to answer Nicks point that he thought quantatitive easing did not work, do you agree with this or not?

The bollocks I referred to was your view that the UK economy would be in the same state as the Greek economy without QE; that is bollocks, but if the term offends you substitute it with ill-informed nonsense or something similar.

So no; I don't agree with you, mate. Nor does Alan Greenspan, or many other economists. They are closer to Nick's view.

And I wasn't aware that I had replied to any of your posts before today.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 14 Apr 15 3.21pm
Quote Lyons550 at 14 Apr 2015 2.28pm Quote nickgusset at 12 Apr 2015 2.39pm I don't think one hundred leading doctors writing a joint letter about the state of the NHS is scaremongering. TBF if it takes 100 doctors to write a letter than the NHS is in a far worse state than any of us could've realised!!! No wonder the queues at A&E are so f***ing long...they are all sitting there with their Mont Blanc's and the Basildon Bond out or trying to get on the sofa to talk about v@ginal discharge with Phillip Schoffield.. a man who should know all about it given he is one Edited by The Sash (14 Apr 2015 3.22pm) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Quote nickgusset at 12 Apr 2015 2.39pm

I don't think one hundred leading doctors writing a joint letter about the state of the NHS is scaremongering.

TBF if it takes 100 doctors to write a letter than the NHS is in a far worse state than any of us could've realised!!!

No wonder the queues at A&E are so f***ing long...they are all sitting there with their Mont Blanc's and the Basildon Bond out or trying to get on the sofa to talk about v@ginal discharge with Phillip Schoffield.. a man who should know all about it given he is one

Edited by The Sash (14 Apr 2015 3.22pm)

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Lyons550 Shirley 14 Apr 15 4.25pm
Quote The Sash at 14 Apr 2015 3.21pm Quote Lyons550 at 14 Apr 2015 2.28pm Quote nickgusset at 12 Apr 2015 2.39pm I don't think one hundred leading doctors writing a joint letter about the state of the NHS is scaremongering. TBF if it takes 100 doctors to write a letter than the NHS is in a far worse state than any of us could've realised!!! No wonder the queues at A&E are so f*ing long...they are all sitting there with their Mont Blanc's and the Basildon Bond out or trying to get on the sofa to talk about v@ginal discharge with Phillip Schoffield.. a man who should know all about it given he is one Edited by The Sash (14 Apr 2015 3.22pm) .and in any case...if doctors have written a letter...how the f* does anyone know what it says...it'd be illegible! The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Quote nickgusset at 12 Apr 2015 2.39pm

I don't think one hundred leading doctors writing a joint letter about the state of the NHS is scaremongering.

TBF if it takes 100 doctors to write a letter than the NHS is in a far worse state than any of us could've realised!!!

Edited by The Sash (14 Apr 2015 3.22pm)

.and in any case...if doctors have written a letter...how the f*** does anyone know what it says...it'd be illegible!

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matt_himself Matataland 14 Apr 15 4.41pm
Quote matt_himself at 14 Apr 2015 7.01am Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 8.24pm Crisis? What crisis? An articulation by Nick Gusset. Dr Mark Porter, chairman of the BMA has said that the crisis in A+E (passed you by that one did it?) is due to a wider crisis in the NHS. The King’s Fund has found waiting times for tests and surgeries for non-emergency patients are at their worst level since December 2008. Jeremy Hunt spent £1.4bn on NHS redundancies last year - then spent £3.9 billion filling the gaps with temporary agency staff. Nick Levene, a specialist doctor in St Albans has told me that in his and his colleagues opinion, staff morale in the NHS is the worst he has ever known it in the 8 years he has been qualified. My sister, when my dear old dad was in hospital last year, spent many lunchtimes helping to feed those on the ward that were to weak to feed themselves - the nurses were too overstretched to do it themselves! Of course, certain posters will dismiss this. More here... [Link] What is the 'A & E crisis'? Please explain. Are the delays in tests and non emergency surgeries contributing to wider health problems for patients or are they simply inconveniencing them? Did Jeremy Hunt personally spend that on redundancies or was it the NHS Trusts that did this, if it is true, as there is no collaboration of your figure? Is Nick Levene on of your leftie mates and therefore has an agenda? I am sure whatever your sister told you is true but there could be many reasons why the old weren't eating - my girlfriend is in nursing and sometimes the old don't want to eat when told too by nurses. I will dismiss your comments as they do not smack of 'crisis'. Crisis would be widespread deaths caused by underfunding, etc. what you have pointed out is a few small points of uncollaborated stuff. I take it that you haven't responded to me because 'I do not get it' or because 'you cannot debate with matt_himself' but I find it pathetic that you shy away from this. You have said that the NHS is in crisis but have not provided any substantive evidence to back this up. I would urge you to back up your opinions. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 14 Apr 15 4.41pm

Quote matt_himself at 14 Apr 2015 7.01am

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 8.24pm

Crisis? What crisis? An articulation by Nick Gusset.

Dr Mark Porter, chairman of the BMA has said that the crisis in A+E (passed you by that one did it?) is due to a wider crisis in the NHS.

The King’s Fund has found waiting times for tests and surgeries for non-emergency patients are at their worst level since December 2008.

Jeremy Hunt spent £1.4bn on NHS redundancies last year - then spent £3.9 billion filling the gaps with temporary agency staff.

Nick Levene, a specialist doctor in St Albans has told me that in his and his colleagues opinion, staff morale in the NHS is the worst he has ever known it in the 8 years he has been qualified.

My sister, when my dear old dad was in hospital last year, spent many lunchtimes helping to feed those on the ward that were to weak to feed themselves - the nurses were too overstretched to do it themselves!

Of course, certain posters will dismiss this.

More here... [Link]

What is the 'A & E crisis'? Please explain.

Are the delays in tests and non emergency surgeries contributing to wider health problems for patients or are they simply inconveniencing them?

Did Jeremy Hunt personally spend that on redundancies or was it the NHS Trusts that did this, if it is true, as there is no collaboration of your figure?

Is Nick Levene on of your leftie mates and therefore has an agenda?

I am sure whatever your sister told you is true but there could be many reasons why the old weren't eating - my girlfriend is in nursing and sometimes the old don't want to eat when told too by nurses.

I will dismiss your comments as they do not smack of 'crisis'. Crisis would be widespread deaths caused by underfunding, etc. what you have pointed out is a few small points of uncollaborated stuff.

I take it that you haven't responded to me because 'I do not get it' or because 'you cannot debate with matt_himself' but I find it pathetic that you shy away from this.

You have said that the NHS is in crisis but have not provided any substantive evidence to back this up.

I would urge you to back up your opinions.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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