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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 15 12.02pm
Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.55am Quote nickgusset at 31 Mar 2015 11.51am Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f**s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a fck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a f*ck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am) You are Russell Brand and I claim my £5 Is he the fat homosexual astrology bloke ??? No you are thinking of Mystic Meg
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Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them.

If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well.

There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all.

Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f***s about your opinion if you don't vote.

Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am)

Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you.

Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a f*ck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a f*ck about you either.

Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem.

You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it.

Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am)

You are Russell Brand and I claim my £5

Is he the fat homosexual astrology bloke ???

No you are thinking of Mystic Meg

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 15 12.03pm
Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f**s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a fck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a fck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am) You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant. Again - missing the point entirely. You aren't voting for a party FFS you are voting for the perpetuation of a system that doesn't change or give a f** about you...there is no real choice in what you do, however much you want to tell yourself there is to validate your worth as a voter. You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm) You could vote for someone other than the main parties, if enough people did...
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Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 15 12.03pm

Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am

Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am

Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them.

There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am)

Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you.

Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem.

You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it.

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am)

You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant.

Again - missing the point entirely. You aren't voting for a party FFS you are voting for the perpetuation of a system that doesn't change or give a f*** about you...there is no real choice in what you do, however much you want to tell yourself there is to validate your worth as a voter.

You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm)

You could vote for someone other than the main parties, if enough people did...

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EricYoung'sSweatBand 31 Mar 15 12.15pm
Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f**s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a fck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a fck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am) You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant. Again - missing the point entirely. You aren't voting for a party FFS you are voting for the perpetuation of a system that doesn't change or give a f** about you...there is no real choice in what you do, however much you want to tell yourself there is to validate your worth as a voter. You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm) You can keep saying I'm missing the point but it won't make it any more true because it isn't. I know what your point is and it's simply wrong. The reason the political system doesn't care is because of people who don't vote and they will care less and less while voter numbers stay around 60% Why should it care? They have a mandate to govern despite only getting 30% of the populations vote and they are happy with that. 10% voter turn out which would affect change will never ever happen - at least not in our lifetimes - so you are acively encouraging the system that the politicians want by staying at home regardless of what Russsell Brand tells you. I'll say it again, they want you to stay at home so you are aiding the system not fighting it. The only way to affect that is using what little voice you have, not staying silent. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 12.16pm)
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31 Mar 15 12.15pm

Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am

Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am

Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them.

There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am)

Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you.

Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem.

You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it.

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am)

You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant.

You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm)

You can keep saying I'm missing the point but it won't make it any more true because it isn't. I know what your point is and it's simply wrong.

The reason the political system doesn't care is because of people who don't vote and they will care less and less while voter numbers stay around 60%

Why should it care? They have a mandate to govern despite only getting 30% of the populations vote and they are happy with that.

10% voter turn out which would affect change will never ever happen - at least not in our lifetimes - so you are acively encouraging the system that the politicians want by staying at home regardless of what Russsell Brand tells you.

I'll say it again, they want you to stay at home so you are aiding the system not fighting it. The only way to affect that is using what little voice you have, not staying silent.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 12.16pm)

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 31 Mar 15 12.16pm
Quote nickgusset at 31 Mar 2015 12.03pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f**s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a fck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a fck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am) You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant. Again - missing the point entirely. You aren't voting for a party FFS you are voting for the perpetuation of a system that doesn't change or give a f** about you...there is no real choice in what you do, however much you want to tell yourself there is to validate your worth as a voter. You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm) You could vote for someone other than the main parties, if enough people did... That's the problem though Nick - who ??? I was quite hopeful of The Greens out of everyone Nick - right up until the point Bennett opened her mouth and actually showed that they are a long way from being credible As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 31 Mar 15 12.16pm

Quote nickgusset at 31 Mar 2015 12.03pm

Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am

Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am

Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them.

There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am)

Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you.

Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem.

You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it.

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am)

You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant.

You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm)

You could vote for someone other than the main parties, if enough people did...

That's the problem though Nick - who ???

I was quite hopeful of The Greens out of everyone Nick - right up until the point Bennett opened her mouth and actually showed that they are a long way from being credible

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 15 12.17pm
Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 12.16pm Quote nickgusset at 31 Mar 2015 12.03pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f**s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a fck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a fck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am) You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant. Again - missing the point entirely. You aren't voting for a party FFS you are voting for the perpetuation of a system that doesn't change or give a f** about you...there is no real choice in what you do, however much you want to tell yourself there is to validate your worth as a voter. You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm) You could vote for someone other than the main parties, if enough people did... That's the problem though Nick - who ??? I was quite hopeful of The Greens out of everyone Nick - right up until the point Bennett opened her mouth and actually showed that they are a long way from being credible Are tory and labour credible? Really?
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Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 15 12.17pm

Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 12.16pm

Quote nickgusset at 31 Mar 2015 12.03pm

Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am

Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am

Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them.

There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am)

Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you.

Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem.

You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it.

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am)

You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant.

You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm)

You could vote for someone other than the main parties, if enough people did...

That's the problem though Nick - who ???

I was quite hopeful of The Greens out of everyone Nick - right up until the point Bennett opened her mouth and actually showed that they are a long way from being credible

Are tory and labour credible? Really?

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 31 Mar 15 12.23pm
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 12.15pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f**s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a fck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a fck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am) You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant. Again - missing the point entirely. You aren't voting for a party FFS you are voting for the perpetuation of a system that doesn't change or give a f** about you...there is no real choice in what you do, however much you want to tell yourself there is to validate your worth as a voter. You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm) You can keep saying I'm missing the point but it won't make it any more true because it isn't. I know what your point is and it's simply wrong. The reason the political system doesn't care is because of people who don't vote and they will care less and less while voter numbers stay around 60% Why should it care? They have a mandate to govern despite only getting 30% of the populaions vote and they are happy with that. 10% voter turn out which would affect change will never ever happen - at least not in our lifetimes - so you are acively encouraging the system that the politicias want by staying at home regardless of what Russsell Brand tells you. I'll say it again, they want you to stay at home so you are aiding the system not fighting it. The only way to affect that is using what little voice you have, not staying silent. Yes, yes - well when you have put your little X in your little box, in your little booth then in a years time when you are still being lied to, manipulated, with nothing different save the face in front of the camera you can be happy in the knowledge whoever got in you contributed to it. You do miss the point which you still haven't addressed - why on earth should I vote when there isn't anything to vote for ? My vote should be a precious commodity - nothing something to throw away just because.... Whatever way you dress it you are wrong - you are simply perpetuating the system. You are voting for choice and change ? Sorry no you aren't and you're kidding yourself. Until real choice and real opportunity for change come then I wont. To quote the rather clever and astute Mark Twain ' If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it' - never mores so has that been true. If you cant see that well.... As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 31 Mar 15 12.23pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 12.15pm

Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am

Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am

Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them.

There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am)

Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you.

Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem.

You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it.

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am)

You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant.

You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm)

You can keep saying I'm missing the point but it won't make it any more true because it isn't. I know what your point is and it's simply wrong.

The reason the political system doesn't care is because of people who don't vote and they will care less and less while voter numbers stay around 60%

Why should it care? They have a mandate to govern despite only getting 30% of the populaions vote and they are happy with that.

10% voter turn out which would affect change will never ever happen - at least not in our lifetimes - so you are acively encouraging the system that the politicias want by staying at home regardless of what Russsell Brand tells you.

I'll say it again, they want you to stay at home so you are aiding the system not fighting it. The only way to affect that is using what little voice you have, not staying silent.

Yes, yes - well when you have put your little X in your little box, in your little booth then in a years time when you are still being lied to, manipulated, with nothing different save the face in front of the camera you can be happy in the knowledge whoever got in you contributed to it.

You do miss the point which you still haven't addressed - why on earth should I vote when there isn't anything to vote for ? My vote should be a precious commodity - nothing something to throw away just because....

Whatever way you dress it you are wrong - you are simply perpetuating the system. You are voting for choice and change ? Sorry no you aren't and you're kidding yourself.

Until real choice and real opportunity for change come then I wont.

To quote the rather clever and astute Mark Twain ' If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it' - never mores so has that been true.

If you cant see that well....

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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ambrose7 Croydon 31 Mar 15 12.25pm
Quote nickgusset at 31 Mar 2015 9.43am [Link] Coke head's record this term. The graph with real GDP recovery from the economy is interesting. Primarily because it starts Q1 of 2008, when Labour were still in power. When the coalition took over, France and the USA were in a much better position than the UK. From the position the worst off countries were in as of Q2 2009, only Germany can be said to have done as well as the UK, and our growth is on an upward trend unlike theirs. You can interpret statistics however you want, but the truth is that the economy is growing and pretty quickly at that. The Labour interview from Sunday Politics demonstrates that they have no idea/refuse to say where their cuts will come from. It's all well and good to reel off the Tory cliches, but Labour haven't actually identified where they will make financial changes of any real significance. That may well be because they don't have a solution that's much better than what is currently happening. Edited by ambrose7 (31 Mar 2015 12.26pm) 26th January 2010 - Enter Administration 2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough 1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds 7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.
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Coke head's record this term.

The graph with real GDP recovery from the economy is interesting.

Primarily because it starts Q1 of 2008, when Labour were still in power. When the coalition took over, France and the USA were in a much better position than the UK. From the position the worst off countries were in as of Q2 2009, only Germany can be said to have done as well as the UK, and our growth is on an upward trend unlike theirs.

You can interpret statistics however you want, but the truth is that the economy is growing and pretty quickly at that. The Labour interview from Sunday Politics demonstrates that they have no idea/refuse to say where their cuts will come from. It's all well and good to reel off the Tory cliches, but Labour haven't actually identified where they will make financial changes of any real significance.

That may well be because they don't have a solution that's much better than what is currently happening.

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26th January 2010 - Enter Administration
2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough
1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds
7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.

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Quote nickgusset at 31 Mar 2015 12.17pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 12.16pm Quote nickgusset at 31 Mar 2015 12.03pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f**s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a fck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a fck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am) You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant. Again - missing the point entirely. You aren't voting for a party FFS you are voting for the perpetuation of a system that doesn't change or give a f** about you...there is no real choice in what you do, however much you want to tell yourself there is to validate your worth as a voter. You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm) You could vote for someone other than the main parties, if enough people did... That's the problem though Nick - who ??? I was quite hopeful of The Greens out of everyone Nick - right up until the point Bennett opened her mouth and actually showed that they are a long way from being credible Are tory and labour credible? Really? No, which is exactly what my little series of posts are about - there is no credible political party currently operating in the UK who can offer anything that's fit for purpose imho so I wont vote. Not because I would rather eat lard on the settee in front of Eastenders but because there really isn't anyone to vote for. I have no opportunity to register my disaffection either other than with my feet - which again is at the crux of my little postings here. I should be able to say 'F*ck You' and have it count not join the queue to blindly vote based on ideology however lame and dumb my own party is or have my opinion based on the self interest of The Sun or The Guardian just because its an election or by spoiling my paper by drawing a big cock and balls on it Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.32pm) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them.

There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all.

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Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you.

Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem.

You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it.

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am)

You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant.

You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid

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You could vote for someone other than the main parties, if enough people did...

That's the problem though Nick - who ???

I was quite hopeful of The Greens out of everyone Nick - right up until the point Bennett opened her mouth and actually showed that they are a long way from being credible

Are tory and labour credible? Really?

No, which is exactly what my little series of posts are about - there is no credible political party currently operating in the UK who can offer anything that's fit for purpose imho so I wont vote.

Not because I would rather eat lard on the settee in front of Eastenders but because there really isn't anyone to vote for. I have no opportunity to register my disaffection either other than with my feet - which again is at the crux of my little postings here.

I should be able to say 'F*ck You' and have it count not join the queue to blindly vote based on ideology however lame and dumb my own party is or have my opinion based on the self interest of The Sun or The Guardian just because its an election or by spoiling my paper by drawing a big cock and balls on it

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Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 12.29pm Quote nickgusset at 31 Mar 2015 12.17pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 12.16pm Quote nickgusset at 31 Mar 2015 12.03pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f**s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a fck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a fck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am) You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant. Again - missing the point entirely. You aren't voting for a party FFS you are voting for the perpetuation of a system that doesn't change or give a f** about you...there is no real choice in what you do, however much you want to tell yourself there is to validate your worth as a voter. You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm) You could vote for someone other than the main parties, if enough people did... That's the problem though Nick - who ??? I was quite hopeful of The Greens out of everyone Nick - right up until the point Bennett opened her mouth and actually showed that they are a long way from being credible Are tory and labour credible? Really? No, which is exactly what my little series of posts are about - there is no credible political party currently operating in the UK who can offer anything that's fit for purpose imho so I wont vote. Not because I would rather eat lard on the settee in front of Eastenders but because there really isn't anyone to vote for. I have no opportunity to register my disaffection either other than with my feet - which again is at the crux of my little postings here. I should be able to say 'F*ck You' and have it count not join the queue to blindly vote based on ideology however lame and dumb my own party is or have my opinion based on the self interest of The Sun or The Guardian just because its an election or by spoiling my paper by drawing a big cock and balls on it Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.32pm) When did you give up the lard? Where I live, it's almost pointless me voting as it I such a Tory stronghold. I will do though.
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Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them.

There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am)

Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you.

Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem.

You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it.

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am)

You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant.

You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm)

You could vote for someone other than the main parties, if enough people did...

That's the problem though Nick - who ???

I was quite hopeful of The Greens out of everyone Nick - right up until the point Bennett opened her mouth and actually showed that they are a long way from being credible

Are tory and labour credible? Really?

No, which is exactly what my little series of posts are about - there is no credible political party currently operating in the UK who can offer anything that's fit for purpose imho so I wont vote.

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.32pm)

When did you give up the lard?

Where I live, it's almost pointless me voting as it I such a Tory stronghold. I will do though.

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Quote nickgusset at 31 Mar 2015 12.35pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 12.29pm Quote nickgusset at 31 Mar 2015 12.17pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 12.16pm Quote nickgusset at 31 Mar 2015 12.03pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f**s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a fck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a fck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am) You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant. Again - missing the point entirely. You aren't voting for a party FFS you are voting for the perpetuation of a system that doesn't change or give a f** about you...there is no real choice in what you do, however much you want to tell yourself there is to validate your worth as a voter. You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm) You could vote for someone other than the main parties, if enough people did... That's the problem though Nick - who ??? I was quite hopeful of The Greens out of everyone Nick - right up until the point Bennett opened her mouth and actually showed that they are a long way from being credible Are tory and labour credible? Really? No, which is exactly what my little series of posts are about - there is no credible political party currently operating in the UK who can offer anything that's fit for purpose imho so I wont vote. Not because I would rather eat lard on the settee in front of Eastenders but because there really isn't anyone to vote for. I have no opportunity to register my disaffection either other than with my feet - which again is at the crux of my little postings here. I should be able to say 'Fck You' and have it count not join the queue to blindly vote based on ideology however lame and dumb my own party is or have my opinion based on the self interest of The Sun or The Guardian just because its an election or by spoiling my paper by drawing a big cock and balls on it Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.32pm) When did you give up the lard? Where I live, it's almost pointless me voting as it I such a Tory stronghold. I will do though. Yesterday I was on 20oz a day That's the thing - who will you vote for ?? (don't have to say but I can probably deduce that ). By your own admissions the two main parties are not credible - why then should you engage in a process to decide who has the power to make law, take our taxes, spend those taxes, take us to war / or not, manage our health, wealth, education, welfare and social structure and have a direct impact on us and those we love and care for when they are simply a parade of cnts based on partisan self interest and ideology which isn't in most cases conducive to the public good ??? Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.44pm) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them.

There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am)

Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you.

Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem.

You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it.

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am)

You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant.

You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm)

You could vote for someone other than the main parties, if enough people did...

That's the problem though Nick - who ???

I was quite hopeful of The Greens out of everyone Nick - right up until the point Bennett opened her mouth and actually showed that they are a long way from being credible

Are tory and labour credible? Really?

No, which is exactly what my little series of posts are about - there is no credible political party currently operating in the UK who can offer anything that's fit for purpose imho so I wont vote.

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.32pm)

When did you give up the lard?

Where I live, it's almost pointless me voting as it I such a Tory stronghold. I will do though.

Yesterday I was on 20oz a day

That's the thing - who will you vote for ?? (don't have to say but I can probably deduce that ).

By your own admissions the two main parties are not credible - why then should you engage in a process to decide who has the power to make law, take our taxes, spend those taxes, take us to war / or not, manage our health, wealth, education, welfare and social structure and have a direct impact on us and those we love and care for when they are simply a parade of c*nts based on partisan self interest and ideology which isn't in most cases conducive to the public good ???

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Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 12.23pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 12.15pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f**s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a fck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a fck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am) You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant. Again - missing the point entirely. You aren't voting for a party FFS you are voting for the perpetuation of a system that doesn't change or give a f** about you...there is no real choice in what you do, however much you want to tell yourself there is to validate your worth as a voter. You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm) You can keep saying I'm missing the point but it won't make it any more true because it isn't. I know what your point is and it's simply wrong. The reason the political system doesn't care is because of people who don't vote and they will care less and less while voter numbers stay around 60% Why should it care? They have a mandate to govern despite only getting 30% of the populaions vote and they are happy with that. 10% voter turn out which would affect change will never ever happen - at least not in our lifetimes - so you are acively encouraging the system that the politicias want by staying at home regardless of what Russsell Brand tells you. I'll say it again, they want you to stay at home so you are aiding the system not fighting it. The only way to affect that is using what little voice you have, not staying silent. Yes, yes - well when you have put your little X in your little box, in your little booth then in a years time when you are still being lied to, manipulated, with nothing different save the face in front of the camera you can be happy in the knowledge whoever got in you contributed to it. You do miss the point which you still haven't addressed - why on earth should I vote when there isn't anything to vote for ? My vote should be a precious commodity - nothing something to throw away just because.... Whatever way you dress it you are wrong - you are simply perpetuating the system. You are voting for choice and change ? Sorry no you aren't and you're kidding yourself. Until real choice and real opportunity for change come then I wont. To quote the rather clever and astute Mark Twain ' If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it' - never mores so has that been true. If you cant see that well.... Ok, if you believe that your tiny bit of inaction because none of the parties are completely speak to you persionally can make a change then that's your call and in a democracy you have every right to do it but you're not gaining anything from it. You've already said that you considered Green but changed your mind when you heard Natalie Bennett speak (don't blame you) but if the Greens got more votes they might start to see themselves as more credible, wonder how many votes they could have got with someone who can string a sentence together, and get a more credible leader in. Who knows? If they stay around where they are, they'll probably just think 'job well done' and carry on as normal. Voting might affect change. Might not. Nothing is certain in this world but the only way of finding out is voting. I prefer to think that action matters - sitting at home doing nothing has achieved the square route of nothing. Ever. If 2 million of those 35% that don't vote suddenly went and voted Green then Labour would have no choice but to see that the voters are out there and worth trying to win over. They aren't apathetic. As it stands, that's all you are. What can labour do? The only people they can go for and who actually vote are in the political centre. You staying at home is irrelevant to them as it's pure apathy and as far as they are concerned you may as well just be staying at home to eat lard. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 1.02pm)
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Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them.

There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am)

Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you.

Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem.

You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it.

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am)

You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant.

You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid

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You can keep saying I'm missing the point but it won't make it any more true because it isn't. I know what your point is and it's simply wrong.

The reason the political system doesn't care is because of people who don't vote and they will care less and less while voter numbers stay around 60%

Why should it care? They have a mandate to govern despite only getting 30% of the populaions vote and they are happy with that.

I'll say it again, they want you to stay at home so you are aiding the system not fighting it. The only way to affect that is using what little voice you have, not staying silent.

Whatever way you dress it you are wrong - you are simply perpetuating the system. You are voting for choice and change ? Sorry no you aren't and you're kidding yourself.

Until real choice and real opportunity for change come then I wont.

To quote the rather clever and astute Mark Twain ' If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it' - never mores so has that been true.

If you cant see that well....

Ok, if you believe that your tiny bit of inaction because none of the parties are completely speak to you persionally can make a change then that's your call and in a democracy you have every right to do it but you're not gaining anything from it.

You've already said that you considered Green but changed your mind when you heard Natalie Bennett speak (don't blame you) but if the Greens got more votes they might start to see themselves as more credible, wonder how many votes they could have got with someone who can string a sentence together, and get a more credible leader in. Who knows? If they stay around where they are, they'll probably just think 'job well done' and carry on as normal. Voting might affect change. Might not. Nothing is certain in this world but the only way of finding out is voting.

I prefer to think that action matters - sitting at home doing nothing has achieved the square route of nothing. Ever. If 2 million of those 35% that don't vote suddenly went and voted Green then Labour would have no choice but to see that the voters are out there and worth trying to win over. They aren't apathetic. As it stands, that's all you are.

What can labour do? The only people they can go for and who actually vote are in the political centre. You staying at home is irrelevant to them as it's pure apathy and as far as they are concerned you may as well just be staying at home to eat lard.

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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 1.01pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 12.23pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 12.15pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f**s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a fck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a fck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am) You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant. Again - missing the point entirely. You aren't voting for a party FFS you are voting for the perpetuation of a system that doesn't change or give a f** about you...there is no real choice in what you do, however much you want to tell yourself there is to validate your worth as a voter. You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm) You can keep saying I'm missing the point but it won't make it any more true because it isn't. I know what your point is and it's simply wrong. The reason the political system doesn't care is because of people who don't vote and they will care less and less while voter numbers stay around 60% Why should it care? They have a mandate to govern despite only getting 30% of the populaions vote and they are happy with that. 10% voter turn out which would affect change will never ever happen - at least not in our lifetimes - so you are acively encouraging the system that the politicias want by staying at home regardless of what Russsell Brand tells you. I'll say it again, they want you to stay at home so you are aiding the system not fighting it. The only way to affect that is using what little voice you have, not staying silent. Yes, yes - well when you have put your little X in your little box, in your little booth then in a years time when you are still being lied to, manipulated, with nothing different save the face in front of the camera you can be happy in the knowledge whoever got in you contributed to it. You do miss the point which you still haven't addressed - why on earth should I vote when there isn't anything to vote for ? My vote should be a precious commodity - nothing something to throw away just because.... Whatever way you dress it you are wrong - you are simply perpetuating the system. You are voting for choice and change ? Sorry no you aren't and you're kidding yourself. Until real choice and real opportunity for change come then I wont. To quote the rather clever and astute Mark Twain ' If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it' - never mores so has that been true. If you cant see that well.... I prefer to think that action matters Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 1.02pm) I am still struggling hugely to see what 'action' you are taking by voting out of voting's sake - which whatever way you dress it is exactly what you are doing. You aren't voting for change because there is none. So what does this heroic act achieve outside of putting a different body in the suit ? Unless you wholeheartedly believe that the cretinous choices in front of us go even half way to being credible, offer up real choice, give opportunity and have clear difference and are true and viable voting options that is. I obviously don't. Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 1.23pm) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 31 Mar 15 1.08pm

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Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them.

There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am)

Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you.

Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem.

You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it.

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am)

You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant.

You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm)

You can keep saying I'm missing the point but it won't make it any more true because it isn't. I know what your point is and it's simply wrong.

The reason the political system doesn't care is because of people who don't vote and they will care less and less while voter numbers stay around 60%

Why should it care? They have a mandate to govern despite only getting 30% of the populaions vote and they are happy with that.

I'll say it again, they want you to stay at home so you are aiding the system not fighting it. The only way to affect that is using what little voice you have, not staying silent.

Whatever way you dress it you are wrong - you are simply perpetuating the system. You are voting for choice and change ? Sorry no you aren't and you're kidding yourself.

Until real choice and real opportunity for change come then I wont.

To quote the rather clever and astute Mark Twain ' If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it' - never mores so has that been true.

If you cant see that well....

I prefer to think that action matters

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 1.02pm)

I am still struggling hugely to see what 'action' you are taking by voting out of voting's sake - which whatever way you dress it is exactly what you are doing.

You aren't voting for change because there is none. So what does this heroic act achieve outside of putting a different body in the suit ?

Unless you wholeheartedly believe that the cretinous choices in front of us go even half way to being credible, offer up real choice, give opportunity and have clear difference and are true and viable voting options that is.

I obviously don't.

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 1.23pm)

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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