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Russell Brand - class warrior or complete bell end
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 Part Time James  21 Nov 14 3.46pm |
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I went into reading 'revolution' ,his book with an open mind. The more I read, the better he is coming across. He is very self depreciating but makes good points and backs them up well. It's worth bearing in mind, to me any way, that he is only getting such a roasting in the press because he is speaking out against the status qui (no not that one Hoof before you mention it Edited by nickgusset (20 Nov 2014 10.23pm) Not because he's just saying popular things that have no chance of happening? "Do you think you're paying too much rent? Would you like to earn more? because there might be others out there who think the same." No s***, Russell.
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) | Moose In the sewer pipe... 21 Nov 14 4.15pm |
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I'm pretty ambivalent to be honest, as I am with pretty much all "slebs". Not much I can do about Brand except ignore him. What I'd really like to know, however, is what Johnny Eagles thinks of him.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Nov 14 4.17pm |
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Quote Stuk at 21 Nov 2014 2.42pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Nov 2014 10.23pm
I went into reading 'revolution' ,his book with an open mind. The more I read, the better he is coming across. He is very self depreciating but makes good points and backs them up well. It's worth bearing in mind, to me any way, that he is only getting such a roasting in the press because he is speaking out against the status qui (no not that one Hoof before you mention it Edited by nickgusset (20 Nov 2014 10.23pm) Not because he's just saying popular things that have no chance of happening? "Do you think you're paying too much rent? Would you like to earn more? because there might be others out there who think the same." No s***, Russell. Have you read the book?
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| Stuk Top half 21 Nov 14 4.42pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 21 Nov 2014 4.17pm
Quote Stuk at 21 Nov 2014 2.42pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Nov 2014 10.23pm
I went into reading 'revolution' ,his book with an open mind. The more I read, the better he is coming across. He is very self depreciating but makes good points and backs them up well. It's worth bearing in mind, to me any way, that he is only getting such a roasting in the press because he is speaking out against the status qui (no not that one Hoof before you mention it Edited by nickgusset (20 Nov 2014 10.23pm) Not because he's just saying popular things that have no chance of happening? "Do you think you're paying too much rent? Would you like to earn more? because there might be others out there who think the same." No s***, Russell. Have you read the book?
That is a quote from him regarding it, that he made on the radio.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 22 Nov 14 7.24pm |
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Quote Stuk at 21 Nov 2014 2.42pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Nov 2014 10.23pm
I went into reading 'revolution' ,his book with an open mind. The more I read, the better he is coming across. He is very self depreciating but makes good points and backs them up well. It's worth bearing in mind, to me any way, that he is only getting such a roasting in the press because he is speaking out against the status qui (no not that one Hoof before you mention it Edited by nickgusset (20 Nov 2014 10.23pm) Not because he's just saying popular things that have no chance of happening? "Do you think you're paying too much rent? Would you like to earn more? because there might be others out there who think the same." No s***, Russell. I'm sorry, what could you possibly have against those sentiments? Rent, particularly in the capital, is as high as it is anywhere else in the world, while 52% of those in poverty are in work. Neither of those things need to be, and it is not radical to suggest that a collective opposition to such policies is better than an apathetic passivity towards fundamental changes to our social fabric. Look at the grassroots movements in London against evictions and rent prices, and the successes they've had, and tell us again that these are just 'popular things that have no chance of happening'...
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 22 Nov 14 7.37pm |
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To be honest Russell Brands Revolution will be as short lived as his acting career was. His book will be on sale for about 50p in charity shops very soon. Most switched on people have realised now that he is a raving looney and just ignore him hoping that he will go away. I would also imagine the minute he shows himself on a TV program a lot of people switch channels as I do. He talks such a lot of tosh and ruins any talk show he happens to go on. I would rather watch Jeremy Clarkson!!
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 24 Nov 14 8.29am |
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Quote serial thriller at 22 Nov 2014 7.24pm
Quote Stuk at 21 Nov 2014 2.42pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Nov 2014 10.23pm
I went into reading 'revolution' ,his book with an open mind. The more I read, the better he is coming across. He is very self depreciating but makes good points and backs them up well. It's worth bearing in mind, to me any way, that he is only getting such a roasting in the press because he is speaking out against the status qui (no not that one Hoof before you mention it Edited by nickgusset (20 Nov 2014 10.23pm) Not because he's just saying popular things that have no chance of happening? "Do you think you're paying too much rent? Would you like to earn more? because there might be others out there who think the same." No s***, Russell. I'm sorry, what could you possibly have against those sentiments? Rent, particularly in the capital, is as high as it is anywhere else in the world, while 52% of those in poverty are in work. Neither of those things need to be, and it is not radical to suggest that a collective opposition to such policies is better than an apathetic passivity towards fundamental changes to our social fabric. Look at the grassroots movements in London against evictions and rent prices, and the successes they've had, and tell us again that these are just 'popular things that have no chance of happening'...
Everyone, that is, apart from self-hating middle class types who claim they love paying tax.
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| Johnny Eagles berlin 24 Nov 14 8.31am |
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Quote Moose at 21 Nov 2014 4.15pm
I'm pretty ambivalent to be honest, as I am with pretty much all "slebs". Not much I can do about Brand except ignore him. What I'd really like to know, however, is what Johnny Eagles thinks of him.
For Moose, and anyone else who might have missed my opinion earlier in the thread, I think Brand is an utter, complete and absolute BELL END.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Nov 14 11.29am |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 24 Nov 2014 8.29am
Quote serial thriller at 22 Nov 2014 7.24pm
Quote Stuk at 21 Nov 2014 2.42pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Nov 2014 10.23pm
I went into reading 'revolution' ,his book with an open mind. The more I read, the better he is coming across. He is very self depreciating but makes good points and backs them up well. It's worth bearing in mind, to me any way, that he is only getting such a roasting in the press because he is speaking out against the status qui (no not that one Hoof before you mention it Edited by nickgusset (20 Nov 2014 10.23pm) Not because he's just saying popular things that have no chance of happening? "Do you think you're paying too much rent? Would you like to earn more? because there might be others out there who think the same." No s***, Russell. I'm sorry, what could you possibly have against those sentiments? Rent, particularly in the capital, is as high as it is anywhere else in the world, while 52% of those in poverty are in work. Neither of those things need to be, and it is not radical to suggest that a collective opposition to such policies is better than an apathetic passivity towards fundamental changes to our social fabric. Look at the grassroots movements in London against evictions and rent prices, and the successes they've had, and tell us again that these are just 'popular things that have no chance of happening'...
Everyone, that is, apart from self-hating middle class types who claim they love paying tax. That's a decent enough truism. Of course everyone would like to think they earned more and paid less, which is arguably why taxation for public services exists, it hides the actual cost of essential services that would likely be prohibitively expensive were they contracted individually. What the state often fails to do, in the UK, is utilize its capacity of a monopoly in its negotiation with suppliers (which is why the French and Germans can provide an excellent privatized national health system and we can barely get water to peoples homes without most of it P*ssing out the pipes on route).
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| Stuk Top half 24 Nov 14 3.15pm |
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Quote serial thriller at 22 Nov 2014 7.24pm
Quote Stuk at 21 Nov 2014 2.42pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Nov 2014 10.23pm
I went into reading 'revolution' ,his book with an open mind. The more I read, the better he is coming across. He is very self depreciating but makes good points and backs them up well. It's worth bearing in mind, to me any way, that he is only getting such a roasting in the press because he is speaking out against the status qui (no not that one Hoof before you mention it Edited by nickgusset (20 Nov 2014 10.23pm) Not because he's just saying popular things that have no chance of happening? "Do you think you're paying too much rent? Would you like to earn more? because there might be others out there who think the same." No s***, Russell. I'm sorry, what could you possibly have against those sentiments? Rent, particularly in the capital, is as high as it is anywhere else in the world, while 52% of those in poverty are in work. Neither of those things need to be, and it is not radical to suggest that a collective opposition to such policies is better than an apathetic passivity towards fundamental changes to our social fabric. Look at the grassroots movements in London against evictions and rent prices, and the successes they've had, and tell us again that these are just 'popular things that have no chance of happening'...
You can't dictate rent levels, and you certainly can't demand landlords take a reduction in current levels. The same goes for just giving everyone a payrise. The private sector is private. You set your prices and find out whether people will pay them/work for them, or not. No matter what a terrible actor decides to write in a book, for his own profit.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 24 Nov 14 5.19pm |
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Quote Stuk at 24 Nov 2014 3.15pm
Quote serial thriller at 22 Nov 2014 7.24pm
Quote Stuk at 21 Nov 2014 2.42pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Nov 2014 10.23pm
I went into reading 'revolution' ,his book with an open mind. The more I read, the better he is coming across. He is very self depreciating but makes good points and backs them up well. It's worth bearing in mind, to me any way, that he is only getting such a roasting in the press because he is speaking out against the status qui (no not that one Hoof before you mention it Edited by nickgusset (20 Nov 2014 10.23pm) Not because he's just saying popular things that have no chance of happening? "Do you think you're paying too much rent? Would you like to earn more? because there might be others out there who think the same." No s***, Russell. I'm sorry, what could you possibly have against those sentiments? Rent, particularly in the capital, is as high as it is anywhere else in the world, while 52% of those in poverty are in work. Neither of those things need to be, and it is not radical to suggest that a collective opposition to such policies is better than an apathetic passivity towards fundamental changes to our social fabric. Look at the grassroots movements in London against evictions and rent prices, and the successes they've had, and tell us again that these are just 'popular things that have no chance of happening'...
You can't dictate rent levels, and you certainly can't demand landlords take a reduction in current levels. The same goes for just giving everyone a payrise. The private sector is private. You set your prices and find out whether people will pay them/work for them, or not. No matter what a terrible actor decides to write in a book, for his own profit.
The comment in bold directly contradicts the society we live in today though. We don't live in a totally free market, because we bail out private banks with public money, have an obligatory minimum wage set by central government, have academy schools funded by private individuals that implement governmental syllabus' etc. etc. etc. You also can 'just give everyone a payrise' as we saw just the other week when the Tories raised the minimum wage, and as we see in the fact that Labour and the Greens want to increase it further. You also can have rent control, which we did before 1980, around the time the housing market exploded. I'm not recommending it, as I believe the abolition of Private Property would be of more use, but it's stupid to narrow your conception in to what one can and can't do. History shows you can do multiple things, with varying effects.
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| elgrande bedford 24 Nov 14 6.35pm |
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Quote serial thriller at 24 Nov 2014 5.19pm
Quote Stuk at 24 Nov 2014 3.15pm
Quote serial thriller at 22 Nov 2014 7.24pm
Quote Stuk at 21 Nov 2014 2.42pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Nov 2014 10.23pm
I went into reading 'revolution' ,his book with an open mind. The more I read, the better he is coming across. He is very self depreciating but makes good points and backs them up well. It's worth bearing in mind, to me any way, that he is only getting such a roasting in the press because he is speaking out against the status qui (no not that one Hoof before you mention it Edited by nickgusset (20 Nov 2014 10.23pm) Not because he's just saying popular things that have no chance of happening? "Do you think you're paying too much rent? Would you like to earn more? because there might be others out there who think the same." No s***, Russell. I'm sorry, what could you possibly have against those sentiments? Rent, particularly in the capital, is as high as it is anywhere else in the world, while 52% of those in poverty are in work. Neither of those things need to be, and it is not radical to suggest that a collective opposition to such policies is better than an apathetic passivity towards fundamental changes to our social fabric. Look at the grassroots movements in London against evictions and rent prices, and the successes they've had, and tell us again that these are just 'popular things that have no chance of happening'...
You can't dictate rent levels, and you certainly can't demand landlords take a reduction in current levels. The same goes for just giving everyone a payrise. The private sector is private. You set your prices and find out whether people will pay them/work for them, or not. No matter what a terrible actor decides to write in a book, for his own profit.
The comment in bold directly contradicts the society we live in today though. We don't live in a totally free market, because we bail out private banks with public money, have an obligatory minimum wage set by central government, have academy schools funded by private individuals that implement governmental syllabus' etc. etc. etc. You also can 'just give everyone a payrise' as we saw just the other week when the Tories raised the minimum wage, and as we see in the fact that Labour and the Greens want to increase it further. You also can have rent control, which we did before 1980, around the time the housing market exploded. I'm not recommending it, as I believe the abolition of Private Property would be of more use, but it's stupid to narrow your conception in to what one can and can't do. History shows you can do multiple things, with varying effects.
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