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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Jan 16 11.53am
Interesting article about a yougov poll that says corbyn supporters tend to be more lower income and working class than those who supported the other candidates. Rather goes against the grain of the cobblers that Corbyn supporters are 'champagne socialists'. [Link]
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Shizzlehurst 15 Jan 16 11.53am

Interesting article about a yougov poll that says corbyn supporters tend to be more lower income and working class than those who supported the other candidates. Rather goes against the grain of the cobblers that Corbyn supporters are 'champagne socialists'.

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Catfish Burgess Hill 15 Jan 16 11.56am
Quote nickgusset at 15 Jan 2016 11.53am Interesting article about a yougov poll that says corbyn supporters tend to be more lower income and working class than those who supported the other candidates. Rather goes against the grain of the cobblers that Corbyn supporters are 'champagne socialists'. [Link] He can't go around turning Labour into a working class organisation! Roy Jenkins must be turning in his grave. Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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He can't go around turning Labour into a working class organisation!
Roy Jenkins must be turning in his grave.

Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial

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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Jan 16 12.40pm
Quote We are goin up! at 14 Jan 2016 12.34pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Jan 2016 11.27am Quote We are goin up! at 13 Jan 2016 4.53pm "Learning on the job". He's had how long as an MP? You'd have thought at some point in that time he'd have given some thought about what his vision would be and how he'd run his party. Or maybe he's only fit for a debating society... This is what makes politics such a farce, the idea that its acceptable for MPs and Politicians to project their vision of how to run society / the party etc rather than representing the best interests of society and the people. Governments should respond based on available facts, research and data and then sell that to the public. Too often UK politics is about pandering to popularism whilst pursuing their own 'ego agenda'. How is that a farce? The electorate decides which party most represents the best interests of society and the people, it's called democracy. If the public don't like the vision being projected onto them, they can vote for somebody else. Because sometimes the best interests of society isn't popular. Take prison funding, for example, the UK government has continually sold the public a 'hard on crime' approach that has increasingly undermined the point of the prison system, inmates and staff. We now have a situation where prisons are underfunded, more people are being sent to prison, rehabilition has been undercut, with prisoners being released early automatically to make room for more offenders, a significant amount of which probably shouldn't be in prison (rehabilition would be better served in other ways that incarceration doesn't help). Politicians pander to the media and population in situations where research and evidence suggests a better solution exist, but unfortunately aren't 'vote winners'. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 15 Jan 16 12.40pm

Quote We are goin up! at 14 Jan 2016 12.34pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Jan 2016 11.27am

Quote We are goin up! at 13 Jan 2016 4.53pm

"Learning on the job". He's had how long as an MP? You'd have thought at some point in that time he'd have given some thought about what his vision would be and how he'd run his party. Or maybe he's only fit for a debating society...

This is what makes politics such a farce, the idea that its acceptable for MPs and Politicians to project their vision of how to run society / the party etc rather than representing the best interests of society and the people.

Governments should respond based on available facts, research and data and then sell that to the public. Too often UK politics is about pandering to popularism whilst pursuing their own 'ego agenda'.

How is that a farce? The electorate decides which party most represents the best interests of society and the people, it's called democracy. If the public don't like the vision being projected onto them, they can vote for somebody else.

Because sometimes the best interests of society isn't popular. Take prison funding, for example, the UK government has continually sold the public a 'hard on crime' approach that has increasingly undermined the point of the prison system, inmates and staff. We now have a situation where prisons are underfunded, more people are being sent to prison, rehabilition has been undercut, with prisoners being released early automatically to make room for more offenders, a significant amount of which probably shouldn't be in prison (rehabilition would be better served in other ways that incarceration doesn't help).

Politicians pander to the media and population in situations where research and evidence suggests a better solution exist, but unfortunately aren't 'vote winners'.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Jan 16 1.05pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Jan 2016 12.40pm Quote We are goin up! at 14 Jan 2016 12.34pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Jan 2016 11.27am Quote We are goin up! at 13 Jan 2016 4.53pm "Learning on the job". He's had how long as an MP? You'd have thought at some point in that time he'd have given some thought about what his vision would be and how he'd run his party. Or maybe he's only fit for a debating society... This is what makes politics such a farce, the idea that its acceptable for MPs and Politicians to project their vision of how to run society / the party etc rather than representing the best interests of society and the people. Governments should respond based on available facts, research and data and then sell that to the public. Too often UK politics is about pandering to popularism whilst pursuing their own 'ego agenda'. How is that a farce? The electorate decides which party most represents the best interests of society and the people, it's called democracy. If the public don't like the vision being projected onto them, they can vote for somebody else. Because sometimes the best interests of society isn't popular. Take prison funding, for example, the UK government has continually sold the public a 'hard on crime' approach that has increasingly undermined the point of the prison system, inmates and staff. We now have a situation where prisons are underfunded, more people are being sent to prison, rehabilition has been undercut, with prisoners being released early automatically to make room for more offenders, a significant amount of which probably shouldn't be in prison (rehabilition would be better served in other ways that incarceration doesn't help). Politicians pander to the media and population in situations where research and evidence suggests a better solution exist, but unfortunately aren't 'vote winners'. Same with edumacation. Teachers have legitimate concerns, which I won't go into, that are backed up by academic research. This is ignored and teachers are vilified by the media because they say the government have got it wrong. I'd hope that the backlash against media coverage of the jnr dr's could be a catalyst, but doubt it.
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Shizzlehurst 15 Jan 16 1.05pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Jan 2016 12.40pm

Quote We are goin up! at 14 Jan 2016 12.34pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Jan 2016 11.27am

Quote We are goin up! at 13 Jan 2016 4.53pm

Governments should respond based on available facts, research and data and then sell that to the public. Too often UK politics is about pandering to popularism whilst pursuing their own 'ego agenda'.

Politicians pander to the media and population in situations where research and evidence suggests a better solution exist, but unfortunately aren't 'vote winners'.

Same with edumacation. Teachers have legitimate concerns, which I won't go into, that are backed up by academic research. This is ignored and teachers are vilified by the media because they say the government have got it wrong.

I'd hope that the backlash against media coverage of the jnr dr's could be a catalyst, but doubt it.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 15 Jan 16 8.40pm
Watching a program about 1985 showed Kinnock making that speech. I can see history repeating itself. Derek Hatton looked spritely the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 15 Jan 16 8.40pm

Watching a program about 1985 showed Kinnock making that speech. I can see history repeating itself. Derek Hatton looked spritely

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Jan 16 10.30pm
One of Corbyn's policies vindicated here I feel. [Link]
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 15 Jan 16 10.30pm

One of Corbyn's policies vindicated here I feel.
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matt_himself Matataland 16 Jan 16 8.10am
Corbyn is getting even more Commie: [Link] "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 16 Jan 16 8.10am

Corbyn is getting even more Commie:

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"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 9.10am
Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 8.10am Corbyn is getting even more Commie: [Link] Paying the living wage is a bad thing is it?
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Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 9.10am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 8.10am

Corbyn is getting even more Commie:

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Paying the living wage is a bad thing is it?

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matt_himself Matataland 16 Jan 16 9.31am
Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 9.10am Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 8.10am Corbyn is getting even more Commie: [Link] Paying the living wage is a bad thing is it? I knew you would say that. Is paying people a 'living wage' wrong. No, of course not. If people work they should be paid accordingly. However the question is, in a democratic society, should the government have the ability to make arbitrary decisions that impinge freedom and the scope of such decision making is limited to a small clique with undefined perimeters? The issue here is that Corbyn and his clique are showing their Stalinist colours behind 'mean nothing' phraseology. That is worrying. Edited by matt_himself (16 Jan 2016 9.31am) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 16 Jan 16 9.31am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 9.10am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 8.10am

Corbyn is getting even more Commie:

[Link]

Paying the living wage is a bad thing is it?

I knew you would say that.

Is paying people a 'living wage' wrong. No, of course not. If people work they should be paid accordingly.

However the question is, in a democratic society, should the government have the ability to make arbitrary decisions that impinge freedom and the scope of such decision making is limited to a small clique with undefined perimeters?

The issue here is that Corbyn and his clique are showing their Stalinist colours behind 'mean nothing' phraseology. That is worrying.

Edited by matt_himself (16 Jan 2016 9.31am)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 9.45am
Quote The White Horse at 08 Jan 2016 4.30pm Quote nickgusset at 08 Jan 2016 4.13pm Those who are part of 'Progress' need to stop throwing their toys out of the pram! Again, we come back to my dilemma earlier. Pick one of the following. I'd say the first option is very unlikely, since Corbyn is so far from them politically: 1) Stop centrists in the Labour Party from complaining. 2) Get a leader who can command the respect of centrists. Did you see Diane Abbott on Newsnight on Wednesday Nick? The presenter asked her whether she thought the Blairites and Corbynites could find some way to work together without slagging one another off. She then said that all of those who had been sacked were special advisers resisting a change in political culture. The presenter pointed out that her answer suggested the answer was probably no. [Link] This is worth a read
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Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 9.45am

Quote The White Horse at 08 Jan 2016 4.30pm

Quote nickgusset at 08 Jan 2016 4.13pm

Those who are part of 'Progress' need to stop throwing their toys out of the pram!

Again, we come back to my dilemma earlier. Pick one of the following. I'd say the first option is very unlikely, since Corbyn is so far from them politically:

1) Stop centrists in the Labour Party from complaining.
2) Get a leader who can command the respect of centrists.

Did you see Diane Abbott on Newsnight on Wednesday Nick? The presenter asked her whether she thought the Blairites and Corbynites could find some way to work together without slagging one another off.

She then said that all of those who had been sacked were special advisers resisting a change in political culture. The presenter pointed out that her answer suggested the answer was probably no.

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This is worth a read

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 9.47am
Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 9.31am Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 9.10am Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 8.10am Corbyn is getting even more Commie: [Link] Paying the living wage is a bad thing is it? I knew you would say that. Is paying people a 'living wage' wrong. No, of course not. If people work they should be paid accordingly. However the question is, in a democratic society, should the government have the ability to make arbitrary decisions that impinge freedom and the scope of such decision making is limited to a small clique with undefined perimeters? The issue here is that Corbyn and his clique are showing their Stalinist colours behind 'mean nothing' phraseology. That is worrying. Edited by matt_himself (16 Jan 2016 9.31am) Corbyn is giving policies, the public will decide. I'd imagine making sure staff are treated fairly using money that has been generated by those staff ahead of paying dividends is a no brainer.
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Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 9.47am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 9.31am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 9.10am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 8.10am

Corbyn is getting even more Commie:

[Link]

Paying the living wage is a bad thing is it?

I knew you would say that.

Is paying people a 'living wage' wrong. No, of course not. If people work they should be paid accordingly.

The issue here is that Corbyn and his clique are showing their Stalinist colours behind 'mean nothing' phraseology. That is worrying.

Edited by matt_himself (16 Jan 2016 9.31am)

Corbyn is giving policies, the public will decide. I'd imagine making sure staff are treated fairly using money that has been generated by those staff ahead of paying dividends is a no brainer.

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matt_himself Matataland 16 Jan 16 10.06am
Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 9.47am Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 9.31am Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 9.10am Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 8.10am Corbyn is getting even more Commie: [Link] Paying the living wage is a bad thing is it? I knew you would say that. Is paying people a 'living wage' wrong. No, of course not. If people work they should be paid accordingly. However the question is, in a democratic society, should the government have the ability to make arbitrary decisions that impinge freedom and the scope of such decision making is limited to a small clique with undefined perimeters? The issue here is that Corbyn and his clique are showing their Stalinist colours behind 'mean nothing' phraseology. That is worrying. Edited by matt_himself (16 Jan 2016 9.31am) Corbyn is giving policies, the public will decide. I'd imagine making sure staff are treated fairly using money that has been generated by those staff ahead of paying dividends is a no brainer. Once again, you miss the point. Firstly, this is another indication that Corbyn and his clique want to run matters Politburo style, with a planned economy managed by a small cabal of insiders. Secondly, do this and business leaves Britain. If investors cannot be rewarded for risking their capital on business, the money will go elsewhere and there will be no wages for anyone, 'living wage' or otherwise. Investors come in many hues. One of the biggest sector of investors in this country is pension funds, both public and private. Would you support pensioners not receiving their pensions, including those receiving a public sector pension, because a Corbyn government has arbitrarily decided, and most likely for vanity political reasons, that a company cannot pay dividends & thus the pension fund doesn't receive the income it needs to make pension payments? As you say, let the public decide when the implications of Corbyn's empty words are explained to them. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 16 Jan 16 10.06am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 9.47am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 9.31am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 9.10am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 8.10am

Corbyn is getting even more Commie:

[Link]

Paying the living wage is a bad thing is it?

I knew you would say that.

Is paying people a 'living wage' wrong. No, of course not. If people work they should be paid accordingly.

The issue here is that Corbyn and his clique are showing their Stalinist colours behind 'mean nothing' phraseology. That is worrying.

Edited by matt_himself (16 Jan 2016 9.31am)

Corbyn is giving policies, the public will decide. I'd imagine making sure staff are treated fairly using money that has been generated by those staff ahead of paying dividends is a no brainer.

Once again, you miss the point.

Firstly, this is another indication that Corbyn and his clique want to run matters Politburo style, with a planned economy managed by a small cabal of insiders.

Secondly, do this and business leaves Britain. If investors cannot be rewarded for risking their capital on business, the money will go elsewhere and there will be no wages for anyone, 'living wage' or otherwise.

Investors come in many hues. One of the biggest sector of investors in this country is pension funds, both public and private. Would you support pensioners not receiving their pensions, including those receiving a public sector pension, because a Corbyn government has arbitrarily decided, and most likely for vanity political reasons, that a company cannot pay dividends & thus the pension fund doesn't receive the income it needs to make pension payments?

As you say, let the public decide when the implications of Corbyn's empty words are explained to them.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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