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chris123 hove actually 10 Jan 19 9.40am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol so you go into a negotiation to do a deal telling them that you don't want a deal? Hmm You're sound like you're in the John Redwood camp of just leave under a cloud Maybe you don't care how damaging this would be for our business and economy?, the throw your toys out and walk off option doesn't help or suit anyone There is a majority in Parliament who don't and won't support the deal, everyone seems to agree that it would be damaging to leave without one and yet no one seems to be able to agree on an alternative.
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hove actually 10 Jan 19 9.40am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

so you go into a negotiation to do a deal telling them that you don't want a deal? Hmm

You're sound like you're in the John Redwood camp of just leave under a cloud

Maybe you don't care how damaging this would be for our business and economy?, the throw your toys out and walk off option doesn't help or suit anyone

There is a majority in Parliament who don't and won't support the deal, everyone seems to agree that it would be damaging to leave without one and yet no one seems to be able to agree on an alternative.

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W12 10 Jan 19 9.59am
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Stirlingsays 10 Jan 19 10.13am
'The EU is a scam and all of its policies were designed to do exactly what they have done - impoverish the working classes, enrich the aristocracy and enforce it through a Byzantine bureaucracy that makes the world of Terry Gilliam's Brazil look like a Toyota factory floor'. (Tom Luongo) Those who want utopias, create dystopias. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jan 2019 10.13am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Jan 19 10.13am

'The EU is a scam and all of its policies were designed to do exactly what they have done - impoverish the working classes, enrich the aristocracy and enforce it through a Byzantine bureaucracy that makes the world of Terry Gilliam's Brazil look like a Toyota factory floor'.
(Tom Luongo)

Those who want utopias, create dystopias.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jan 2019 10.13am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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silvertop Portishead 10 Jan 19 10.47am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays 'The EU is a scam and all of its policies were designed to do exactly what they have done - impoverish the working classes, enrich the aristocracy and enforce it through a Byzantine bureaucracy that makes the world of Terry Gilliam's Brazil look like a Toyota factory floor'. (Tom Luongo) Those who want utopias, create dystopias. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jan 2019 10.13am) You know each time you post I get more confused. I can't work out if you are a frothing at the mouth fascist or a rabid communist. Keep us guessing eh?
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Portishead 10 Jan 19 10.47am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Those who want utopias, create dystopias.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jan 2019 10.13am)

You know each time you post I get more confused. I can't work out if you are a frothing at the mouth fascist or a rabid communist.

Keep us guessing eh?

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Stirlingsays 10 Jan 19 11.16am
Originally posted by silvertop You know each time you post I get more confused. I can't work out if you are a frothing at the mouth fascist or a rabid communist. Keep us guessing eh? Ha....get called either a fascist or communist....I think you'll find the main thing they have in common is authoritarianism and I don't currently support that......But hey...Cool, play the man not the ball. On this topic I thought I'd stick this video up here on the hypocrisy of some people over the Anna Soubry 'Nazi' situation. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jan 2019 11.16am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Jan 19 11.16am

Originally posted by silvertop

You know each time you post I get more confused. I can't work out if you are a frothing at the mouth fascist or a rabid communist.

Keep us guessing eh?

Ha....get called either a fascist or communist....I think you'll find the main thing they have in common is authoritarianism and I don't currently support that......But hey...Cool, play the man not the ball.

On this topic I thought I'd stick this video up here on the hypocrisy of some people over the Anna Soubry 'Nazi' situation.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jan 2019 11.16am)

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steeleye20 Croydon 10 Jan 19 11.19am
Originally posted by silvertop You know each time you post I get more confused. I can't work out if you are a frothing at the mouth fascist or a rabid communist. Keep us guessing eh? He is not an ISIS knife wielding maniac, like me.
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steeleye20

Croydon 10 Jan 19 11.19am

Originally posted by silvertop

You know each time you post I get more confused. I can't work out if you are a frothing at the mouth fascist or a rabid communist.

Keep us guessing eh?

He is not an ISIS knife wielding maniac, like me.

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Stirlingsays 10 Jan 19 11.34am
Originally posted by steeleye20 He is not an ISIS knife wielding maniac, like me. Maintaining that mania just gets in the way of the doughnuts. I've had a yellow jacket for years....Who would have thought that would become a movement. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Jan 19 11.34am

Originally posted by steeleye20

He is not an ISIS knife wielding maniac, like me.

Maintaining that mania just gets in the way of the doughnuts.

I've had a yellow jacket for years....Who would have thought that would become a movement.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Midlands Eagle 10 Jan 19 11.47am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I've had a yellow jacket for years Not many people keep pet wasps
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10 Jan 19 11.47am

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've had a yellow jacket for years

Not many people keep pet wasps

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Stirlingsays 10 Jan 19 11.54am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Not many people keep pet wasps I like to be different. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Jan 19 11.54am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Not many people keep pet wasps

I like to be different.

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Matov 10 Jan 19 1.17pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol A better one would be a salesman who has to negotiate a new contract for his company. If he went back to his boss and said he couldn't agree anything and as a result there was uncertainty about the business relationship I don't think his boss would be very pleased. We don't hold all the cards, politicians have lied to you Except we clearly do hold a lot of cards. It is just they have never been included in the game. The UK contributes billons to the EU. It employs millions of EU citizens who in turn send money home and helps keep the unemployment figures of those nations down. And lets not even go there in terms of the trade surplus. The reality from day 1 has been that the EU simply cannot afford to let the UK leave unscathed. I get their reasoning behind it, and events since June 2016 have shown exactly why they have lot to fear what with events in Italy and now the on-going civil crisis in France. The EU is looking over its shoulder all the time because it sees events threatening to unseat it. It needs to punish the UK, to humiliate it which this back-stop agreement does. I get their strategy, I really do. What I struggle to understand is why May has effectively played along with it. That is the Elephant in the room for me. The EU has to try and f*** us. It is a Frog and Scorpion scenario. Its entire ethos is to diminish the nation-state and encourage the transfer of power to itself. Issue is why HMG have so willingly bent over and invited it in. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

10 Jan 19 1.17pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

A better one would be a salesman who has to negotiate a new contract for his company. If he went back to his boss and said he couldn't agree anything and as a result there was uncertainty about the business relationship I don't think his boss would be very pleased.

We don't hold all the cards, politicians have lied to you

Except we clearly do hold a lot of cards. It is just they have never been included in the game. The UK contributes billons to the EU. It employs millions of EU citizens who in turn send money home and helps keep the unemployment figures of those nations down. And lets not even go there in terms of the trade surplus.

The reality from day 1 has been that the EU simply cannot afford to let the UK leave unscathed. I get their reasoning behind it, and events since June 2016 have shown exactly why they have lot to fear what with events in Italy and now the on-going civil crisis in France.
The EU is looking over its shoulder all the time because it sees events threatening to unseat it. It needs to punish the UK, to humiliate it which this back-stop agreement does. I get their strategy, I really do.

What I struggle to understand is why May has effectively played along with it. That is the Elephant in the room for me. The EU has to try and f*** us. It is a Frog and Scorpion scenario. Its entire ethos is to diminish the nation-state and encourage the transfer of power to itself.

Issue is why HMG have so willingly bent over and invited it in.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jan 19 7.00pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Not many people keep pet wasps I tried to buy one once but the pet shop owner said they didn't have any, despite the fact that they had one in the window. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Jan 2019 7.02pm)
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