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Matov Flag 04 Feb 24 7.56am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

What elements in Israel do you believe orchestrated the attack on October 7th?


Probably the cold-hearted realists amongst them. Israel is a tiny country. Surrounded by people who are out-breeding it. Its ONLY chance of long-term survival is by way of effectively turning it into a pure ethno-state.

I am utterly convinced that this plan has been decades in the making and the goal to see the Palestinian population from within Israel removed.

You cannot have any kind of long-term solution when you effectively lock up over 2 million people in a concentration camp (and that is what Gaza is). In the West Bank they literally steal land and houses, pour concrete into wells, tear up Olive groves that have been people's income for hundreds of years.

There is no solution other than ethnic cleansing for Israel. Question is do YOU want Europe to bear the brunt of that? Because I don't.


 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 04 Feb 24 8.33am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

I think what you have to understand, much like apartheid in South Africa, the Palestinians have for decades been living in a two-tier social system. Back of the queue for doctors, hospitals, housing, food. Subject to daily power cuts, fuel and water rationing. On top of this the Israeli's would take over Palestinian border settlements, stealing farmland and orchards, and arming new Israeli settlers with American military weapons.
Palestinian youths hurling stones at IDF were regularly shot and killed.
Is it any wonder that Hamas seemed to offer a glimmer of hope to Palestinians to counter this oppression ? Palestinians, I doubt were after armed combat,..just a fairer life.
Israel were always after taking over Gaza and West Bank.

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 04 Feb 24 8.40am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


Probably the cold-hearted realists amongst them. Israel is a tiny country. Surrounded by people who are out-breeding it. Its ONLY chance of long-term survival is by way of effectively turning it into a pure ethno-state.

I am utterly convinced that this plan has been decades in the making and the goal to see the Palestinian population from within Israel removed.

You cannot have any kind of long-term solution when you effectively lock up over 2 million people in a concentration camp (and that is what Gaza is). In the West Bank they literally steal land and houses, pour concrete into wells, tear up Olive groves that have been people's income for hundreds of years.

There is no solution other than ethnic cleansing for Israel. Question is do YOU want Europe to bear the brunt of that? Because I don't.


All your conspiracy theory would achieve is an expansion of land but no more security for Israel.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 04 Feb 24 9.56am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

'Israel bombs kindergarten'.

[Link]

 

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Matov Flag 04 Feb 24 10.00am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

All your conspiracy theory would achieve is an expansion of land but no more security for Israel.


Why not? Imagine a 95% ethnically Jewish Israel. It will import workers to do the manual labour from places such as Thailand and India. There is no external pan Arab threat as there was in the 60's and 70's along with Israel having nuclear weapons.

The Palastinian people will be scattered all over with no base from which to plan a return and within a generation or two, effetively absorbed into whichever poor b******s are lumbered with them.

The Israel lobby already has a vastly disproportionate impact on global politics and is managing to effectively keep any oppostion to what it is doing firmly in check hence western leaders falling over themselves to excuse what is going on.

This is no conspiracy theory. This is the only rational way of understanding this.

And the question again. Do you want Europe to pay the price for this?

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 04 Feb 24 10.37am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


Why not? Imagine a 95% ethnically Jewish Israel. It will import workers to do the manual labour from places such as Thailand and India. There is no external pan Arab threat as there was in the 60's and 70's along with Israel having nuclear weapons.

The Palastinian people will be scattered all over with no base from which to plan a return and within a generation or two, effetively absorbed into whichever poor b******s are lumbered with them.

The Israel lobby already has a vastly disproportionate impact on global politics and is managing to effectively keep any oppostion to what it is doing firmly in check hence western leaders falling over themselves to excuse what is going on.

This is no conspiracy theory. This is the only rational way of understanding this.

And the question again. Do you want Europe to pay the price for this?

Israel will still have borders with Lebanon and Syria so still next door to threats.

I kind of understand your theory but don't agree with it at all.

Europe has little control over the situation

In modern times there has never been a state or country of Palestine
so Palestinian does not refer to a nation as such, rather people who live in an area called Palestine.

It's all very sad and no sign of any end to all this

Edited by HKOwen (04 Feb 2024 10.39am)

Edited by HKOwen (05 Feb 2024 8.31am)

 


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Matov Flag 04 Feb 24 11.11am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

I kind of understand your theory but don't agree with it at all.

Edited by HKOwen (04 Feb 2024 10.39am)

Out of interest, what do you disagree with? Genuinely interested to see how you think my logic is wrong on this one?

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 05 Feb 24 9.59am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

"US sanctions Israeli settlers over West Bank violence"
"US President Joe Biden has approved sanctions on four Israeli settlers accused of attacking Palestinians in the occupied West Bank.
Mr Biden signed a broad executive order, saying violence in the West Bank had reached "intolerable levels".
The sanctions block the individuals from accessing all US property, assets and the American financial system."(BBC website, 2,2,24)

interestingly, no mention of stopping access to American weapons

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Feb 24 11.26pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Egypt has threatened to suspend and cancel all the agreements it currently has that maintain recognition with Israel if Palestinians have been evicted from Gaza and into Egypt.

Not sure they are going to get much of a choice.....It's pretty dicey for Sisi if it happens he could get overthrown.

Dicey and spicy if Israel do it....as Egypt and Hamas are not friends.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Feb 2024 11.29pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Feb 24 1.23am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Spicy, for those that know.

(The State of Israel's official Twitter account)

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2024 1.23am)

 


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Matov Flag 06 Feb 24 6.10am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Spicy, for those that know.

(The State of Israel's official Twitter account)

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2024 1.23am)


WTF?

Are they insane?

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Feb 24 6.24am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

WTF?

Are they insane?

The insane would never have been so successful.

Machiavellian.

 


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