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Matov 04 Feb 24 7.56am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
What elements in Israel do you believe orchestrated the attack on October 7th?
I am utterly convinced that this plan has been decades in the making and the goal to see the Palestinian population from within Israel removed. You cannot have any kind of long-term solution when you effectively lock up over 2 million people in a concentration camp (and that is what Gaza is). In the West Bank they literally steal land and houses, pour concrete into wells, tear up Olive groves that have been people's income for hundreds of years. There is no solution other than ethnic cleansing for Israel. Question is do YOU want Europe to bear the brunt of that? Because I don't.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 04 Feb 24 8.33am | |
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I think what you have to understand, much like apartheid in South Africa, the Palestinians have for decades been living in a two-tier social system. Back of the queue for doctors, hospitals, housing, food. Subject to daily power cuts, fuel and water rationing. On top of this the Israeli's would take over Palestinian border settlements, stealing farmland and orchards, and arming new Israeli settlers with American military weapons.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 04 Feb 24 8.40am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
I am utterly convinced that this plan has been decades in the making and the goal to see the Palestinian population from within Israel removed. You cannot have any kind of long-term solution when you effectively lock up over 2 million people in a concentration camp (and that is what Gaza is). In the West Bank they literally steal land and houses, pour concrete into wells, tear up Olive groves that have been people's income for hundreds of years. There is no solution other than ethnic cleansing for Israel. Question is do YOU want Europe to bear the brunt of that? Because I don't. All your conspiracy theory would achieve is an expansion of land but no more security for Israel.
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steeleye20 Croydon 04 Feb 24 9.56am | |
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'Israel bombs kindergarten'.
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Matov 04 Feb 24 10.00am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
All your conspiracy theory would achieve is an expansion of land but no more security for Israel.
The Palastinian people will be scattered all over with no base from which to plan a return and within a generation or two, effetively absorbed into whichever poor b******s are lumbered with them. The Israel lobby already has a vastly disproportionate impact on global politics and is managing to effectively keep any oppostion to what it is doing firmly in check hence western leaders falling over themselves to excuse what is going on. This is no conspiracy theory. This is the only rational way of understanding this. And the question again. Do you want Europe to pay the price for this?
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HKOwen Hong Kong 04 Feb 24 10.37am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
The Palastinian people will be scattered all over with no base from which to plan a return and within a generation or two, effetively absorbed into whichever poor b******s are lumbered with them. The Israel lobby already has a vastly disproportionate impact on global politics and is managing to effectively keep any oppostion to what it is doing firmly in check hence western leaders falling over themselves to excuse what is going on. This is no conspiracy theory. This is the only rational way of understanding this. And the question again. Do you want Europe to pay the price for this? Israel will still have borders with Lebanon and Syria so still next door to threats. I kind of understand your theory but don't agree with it at all. Europe has little control over the situation In modern times there has never been a state or country of Palestine It's all very sad and no sign of any end to all this Edited by HKOwen (04 Feb 2024 10.39am) Edited by HKOwen (05 Feb 2024 8.31am)
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Matov 04 Feb 24 11.11am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
I kind of understand your theory but don't agree with it at all. Edited by HKOwen (04 Feb 2024 10.39am) Out of interest, what do you disagree with? Genuinely interested to see how you think my logic is wrong on this one?
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 05 Feb 24 9.59am | |
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"US sanctions Israeli settlers over West Bank violence" interestingly, no mention of stopping access to American weapons
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Stirlingsays 05 Feb 24 11.26pm | |
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Egypt has threatened to suspend and cancel all the agreements it currently has that maintain recognition with Israel if Palestinians have been evicted from Gaza and into Egypt. Not sure they are going to get much of a choice.....It's pretty dicey for Sisi if it happens he could get overthrown. Dicey and spicy if Israel do it....as Egypt and Hamas are not friends. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Feb 2024 11.29pm)
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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 24 1.23am | |
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Spicy, for those that know. (The State of Israel's official Twitter account) [Tweet Link]
Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2024 1.23am)
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Matov 06 Feb 24 6.10am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Spicy, for those that know. (The State of Israel's official Twitter account) [Tweet Link]
Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2024 1.23am)
Are they insane?
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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 24 6.24am | |
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The insane would never have been so successful. Machiavellian.
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