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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Jul 24 8.24am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Spin.

What you were actually saying is that you think the Tories should pretend to care about immigration and all the mess that has come with it.

They did that last time and look how well it went.

No one trusts Labour or the Tories on immigration, be it illegal or otherwise.
If Labour significantly cut the numbers and stop the boats, then great, but so much damage has been done already.

Reform will not go away. The electorate have heard all the lies and broken promises before.

Despite some people’s obsession with it, it’s not all about immigration, and will be even less so in 2029.

With a resurgent centre right Tory party pointing at Reform and telling the electorate that they were responsible for creating the circumstances that enabled Labour to produce the mess of the past 5 years they will be well placed to get back in.

Decisive action now to isolate their right wing would help achieve that, even if in the short term it might mean a few defecting to Farage.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Jul 2024 8.32am)

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Jul 24 8.34am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

But they don’t beat a coalition of left wing parties, which is surely the appropriate comparison.

The left vote is split in every single election - it happens to the right once and you get people trying to invent all sort of conclusions about what I means.

The winner of the election is very clearly the party with a huge majority, with Reform and Greens performing very well.

That's certainly true with the Scottish and Welsh Nationalist parties whose rise cost Labour quite dearly.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Jul 24 9.08am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Despite some people’s obsession with it, it’s not all about immigration, and will be even less so in 2029.

With a resurgent centre right Tory party pointing at Reform and telling the electorate that they were responsible for creating the circumstances that enabled Labour to produce the mess of the past 5 years they will be well placed to get back in.

Decisive action now to isolate their right wing would help achieve that, even if in the short term it might mean a few defecting to Farage.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Jul 2024 8.32am)

And that would be more lies.
The Tories were responsible for their own downfall.

You are all about politics. That is depressing.

I want what is best for this country.

While the usual fools try hard to undermine the right, this country is falling apart, mainly due to mass immigration.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Jul 2024 9.09am)

 

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CrazyBadger Flag Ware 10 Jul 24 10.42am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

I voted Reform, not because I thought(or cared about) Tories Lying to us, what they did in their personal lives, or how much taxpayers money they wasted(although that does irk me somewhat), but that I believed their policies were failing the country. I don't believe Labour would be any better, their policies on the major things aren't different enough.
As a country we're going in the wrong direction, and neither Labour or Tory, in their current state, are going to change this.

Reforms policies identified the issues this Country faced, however unpopular or unfashionable they may be, and offered a viable alternative to the same old, same old priorities and strategies offered up by anyone and everyone else.

I do wonder what the chances are of a Tory-Reform Coalition at the next GE are, and how they'd perform...

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Jul 24 10.49am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I voted Reform, not because I thought(or cared about) Tories Lying to us, what they did in their personal lives, or how much taxpayers money they wasted(although that does irk me somewhat), but that I believed their policies were failing the country. I don't believe Labour would be any better, their policies on the major things aren't different enough.
As a country we're going in the wrong direction, and neither Labour or Tory, in their current state, are going to change this.

Reforms policies identified the issues this Country faced, however unpopular or unfashionable they may be, and offered a viable alternative to the same old, same old priorities and strategies offered up by anyone and everyone else.

I do wonder what the chances are of a Tory-Reform Coalition at the next GE are, and how they'd perform...

There can't be a formal coalition between wet Tories and Reform.

There could be an agreement not to contest seats in the red wall for example, where Reform have greater support. They could then do likewise in seats where the Tories would do better.

Whether that would work in practice really depends on where the Parties are come 2029.

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 10 Jul 24 10.57am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I voted Reform, not because I thought(or cared about) Tories Lying to us, what they did in their personal lives, or how much taxpayers money they wasted(although that does irk me somewhat), but that I believed their policies were failing the country. I don't believe Labour would be any better, their policies on the major things aren't different enough.
As a country we're going in the wrong direction, and neither Labour or Tory, in their current state, are going to change this.

Reforms policies identified the issues this Country faced, however unpopular or unfashionable they may be, and offered a viable alternative to the same old, same old priorities and strategies offered up by anyone and everyone else.

I do wonder what the chances are of a Tory-Reform Coalition at the next GE are, and how they'd perform...

Did you ever consider that our apathy to things like politicians lying to us and stealing our money are linked to the country going in the wrong direction?

 

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eaglesdare Flag 10 Jul 24 11.02am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Just wait till labour come for our pensions and invite the world in without increasing services like schools, hospitals, transport etc....

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Jul 24 11.10am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Did you ever consider that our apathy to things like politicians lying to us and stealing our money are linked to the country going in the wrong direction?

Perhaps, if that was anything new.

This country has been going in the wrong direction since WW2 because we spent what was left of our empire wealth defeating Hitler.
It's only because of North Sea Oil that things looked better for a while, but now the reality of our status means that things are tough.
COVID has pushed us closer to disaster, and mass immigration has been used to massage the figures since Brown's Government.

We have to accept that we cannot continue to flood the country with immigrants or expect to provide lifestyles like the USA.

We are on the road to self destruction if we continue with the same short sighted band aid policies.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Jul 24 11.16am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Just wait till labour come for our pensions and invite the world in without increasing services like schools, hospitals, transport etc....

The left are always guilty of applying short termism and ideological mumbo jumbo.

They don't understand the longer term effects of filling jobs and propping up the age related costs via mass immigration.

Taxation will not create growth. It will do the opposite.
They don't care. They are driven by self defeating ideology.

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 10 Jul 24 11.20am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Perhaps, if that was anything new.

This country has been going in the wrong direction since WW2 because we spent what was left of our empire wealth defeating Hitler.
It's only because of North Sea Oil that things looked better for a while, but now the reality of our status means that things are tough.
COVID has pushed us closer to disaster, and mass immigration has been used to massage the figures since Brown's Government.

We have to accept that we cannot continue to flood the country with immigrants or expect to provide lifestyles like the USA.

We are on the road to self destruction if we continue with the same short sighted band aid policies.

Right, but lying and stealing public funds becomes a lot more problematic with the economic realities you highlight above.


 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Jul 24 11.26am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Right, but lying and stealing public funds becomes a lot more problematic with the economic realities you highlight above.


I'm not going to defend politicians. They have screwed us royally.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 10 Jul 24 11.54am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The Tories literally ran as liberals and lost.

Reform are a Thatcher lite party and Thatcher won three terms....Indeed Johnson won an eighty seat majority with the red wall thinking he was going to protect them from immigration.

I predict you're wrong. Unless the Tories vote in someone like Braverman and move to the right they aren't going to compete at elections.

You're overlooking a lot of key reasons why the electorate chose not to vote Tory

Clue – It wasn't only to do with how centre or right they were.

Seems that you're being very binary as to why they lost, i.e. only because they weren't right enough. Fits with your ideology but not with reality.

Contributing factor, sure, but not the only one.

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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