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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jul 24 8.24am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Spin. What you were actually saying is that you think the Tories should pretend to care about immigration and all the mess that has come with it. They did that last time and look how well it went. No one trusts Labour or the Tories on immigration, be it illegal or otherwise. Reform will not go away. The electorate have heard all the lies and broken promises before. Despite some people’s obsession with it, it’s not all about immigration, and will be even less so in 2029. With a resurgent centre right Tory party pointing at Reform and telling the electorate that they were responsible for creating the circumstances that enabled Labour to produce the mess of the past 5 years they will be well placed to get back in. Decisive action now to isolate their right wing would help achieve that, even if in the short term it might mean a few defecting to Farage. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Jul 2024 8.32am)
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Teddy Eagle 10 Jul 24 8.34am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
But they don’t beat a coalition of left wing parties, which is surely the appropriate comparison. The left vote is split in every single election - it happens to the right once and you get people trying to invent all sort of conclusions about what I means. The winner of the election is very clearly the party with a huge majority, with Reform and Greens performing very well. That's certainly true with the Scottish and Welsh Nationalist parties whose rise cost Labour quite dearly.
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jul 24 9.08am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Despite some people’s obsession with it, it’s not all about immigration, and will be even less so in 2029. With a resurgent centre right Tory party pointing at Reform and telling the electorate that they were responsible for creating the circumstances that enabled Labour to produce the mess of the past 5 years they will be well placed to get back in. Decisive action now to isolate their right wing would help achieve that, even if in the short term it might mean a few defecting to Farage. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Jul 2024 8.32am) And that would be more lies. You are all about politics. That is depressing. I want what is best for this country. While the usual fools try hard to undermine the right, this country is falling apart, mainly due to mass immigration. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Jul 2024 9.09am)
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CrazyBadger Ware 10 Jul 24 10.42am | |
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I voted Reform, not because I thought(or cared about) Tories Lying to us, what they did in their personal lives, or how much taxpayers money they wasted(although that does irk me somewhat), but that I believed their policies were failing the country. I don't believe Labour would be any better, their policies on the major things aren't different enough. Reforms policies identified the issues this Country faced, however unpopular or unfashionable they may be, and offered a viable alternative to the same old, same old priorities and strategies offered up by anyone and everyone else. I do wonder what the chances are of a Tory-Reform Coalition at the next GE are, and how they'd perform...
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jul 24 10.49am | |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
I voted Reform, not because I thought(or cared about) Tories Lying to us, what they did in their personal lives, or how much taxpayers money they wasted(although that does irk me somewhat), but that I believed their policies were failing the country. I don't believe Labour would be any better, their policies on the major things aren't different enough. Reforms policies identified the issues this Country faced, however unpopular or unfashionable they may be, and offered a viable alternative to the same old, same old priorities and strategies offered up by anyone and everyone else. I do wonder what the chances are of a Tory-Reform Coalition at the next GE are, and how they'd perform... There can't be a formal coalition between wet Tories and Reform. There could be an agreement not to contest seats in the red wall for example, where Reform have greater support. They could then do likewise in seats where the Tories would do better. Whether that would work in practice really depends on where the Parties are come 2029.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Jul 24 10.57am | |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
I voted Reform, not because I thought(or cared about) Tories Lying to us, what they did in their personal lives, or how much taxpayers money they wasted(although that does irk me somewhat), but that I believed their policies were failing the country. I don't believe Labour would be any better, their policies on the major things aren't different enough. Reforms policies identified the issues this Country faced, however unpopular or unfashionable they may be, and offered a viable alternative to the same old, same old priorities and strategies offered up by anyone and everyone else. I do wonder what the chances are of a Tory-Reform Coalition at the next GE are, and how they'd perform... Did you ever consider that our apathy to things like politicians lying to us and stealing our money are linked to the country going in the wrong direction?
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eaglesdare 10 Jul 24 11.02am | |
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Just wait till labour come for our pensions and invite the world in without increasing services like schools, hospitals, transport etc....
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jul 24 11.10am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Did you ever consider that our apathy to things like politicians lying to us and stealing our money are linked to the country going in the wrong direction? Perhaps, if that was anything new. This country has been going in the wrong direction since WW2 because we spent what was left of our empire wealth defeating Hitler. We have to accept that we cannot continue to flood the country with immigrants or expect to provide lifestyles like the USA. We are on the road to self destruction if we continue with the same short sighted band aid policies.
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jul 24 11.16am | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Just wait till labour come for our pensions and invite the world in without increasing services like schools, hospitals, transport etc.... The left are always guilty of applying short termism and ideological mumbo jumbo. They don't understand the longer term effects of filling jobs and propping up the age related costs via mass immigration. Taxation will not create growth. It will do the opposite.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Jul 24 11.20am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Perhaps, if that was anything new. This country has been going in the wrong direction since WW2 because we spent what was left of our empire wealth defeating Hitler. We have to accept that we cannot continue to flood the country with immigrants or expect to provide lifestyles like the USA. We are on the road to self destruction if we continue with the same short sighted band aid policies. Right, but lying and stealing public funds becomes a lot more problematic with the economic realities you highlight above.
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jul 24 11.26am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Right, but lying and stealing public funds becomes a lot more problematic with the economic realities you highlight above. I'm not going to defend politicians. They have screwed us royally.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 10 Jul 24 11.54am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The Tories literally ran as liberals and lost. Reform are a Thatcher lite party and Thatcher won three terms....Indeed Johnson won an eighty seat majority with the red wall thinking he was going to protect them from immigration. I predict you're wrong. Unless the Tories vote in someone like Braverman and move to the right they aren't going to compete at elections. You're overlooking a lot of key reasons why the electorate chose not to vote Tory Clue – It wasn't only to do with how centre or right they were. Seems that you're being very binary as to why they lost, i.e. only because they weren't right enough. Fits with your ideology but not with reality. Contributing factor, sure, but not the only one.
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