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BlueJay Flag UK 11 Mar 22 6.46pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

And we reached a bizarre point earlier today, where the US was accusing Russia of manufacturing Chemical weapons information about Ukraine in order to justify the continue invasion tactics.

It would have been a far more credible statement from the USA , if we hadn't suffered the "Weapons of mass destruction" invasion of Iraq.

Certainly. And many didn't buy into that narrative then either. It's clear that Russia is falsifying ludicrous conspiracy theories for their own purposes. Hypocritical of the US but both things can be true. We are where we are.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 11 Mar 22 6.53pm

"12,000 U.S. troops have been mobilized along the Russian border to defend NATO countries:

“We have a sacred obligation on NATO territory."


 

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BlueJay Flag UK 11 Mar 22 7.22pm

Serving army officer shut down on Russian state TV for saying soldiers are dying in Ukraine - [Link]

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Mar 22 7.24pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Yes, there is no way that he thought the response would be this unified (even though he note the usual exceptions). Even his oligarchs at home have long warned about ideas such as nationalising foreign companies, but now there is talk of that. He's set his country several decades through his miscalculation. Authoritarian regimes excel at control, rather than listening and it's clear only yes men have his ear. Even if he succeeds it'll be a numbers game via a rust bucket army and foreign fighters. And indeed if he does succeed, is it 'mission accomplished' or is he lumbered with his own Afghanistan for a decade plus?

I doubt he'll stop the invasion anytime soon, as it would be an acknowledgment of a gigantic misstep, but realistically there can be no peace agreement of any kind while the invasion continues. To be honest, due to the gravity of whats happening, I hope we continue to get weaponry to them to fight as best they can, and ensure that we don't buy into ludicrous Russian fueled narratives attacking the west. We will give them a fighting chance, as we should. It's close enough to home that we have a moral obligation to help. Much of what happens is out of our hands though. Peace is a two way street. If Russia reach a point of having a semblance of interest in it, I'll be as relieved as anyone. Displaying cowardice in the face of his aggression is unlikely to reach that point any sooner.


Edited by BlueJay (11 Mar 2022 7.09pm)

Does the way the right in the USA, supported by their fanboys here, are behaving at the moment disturb you? I think they are providing support to the enemy by feeding them propaganda that can be paraded in front of the Russian people.

I would hope they could show some self-restraint at this time of crisis and suspend their constant political point scoring and get behind their country's, and the west's efforts.

Political gestures always upset me. Right now, they disgust me.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 11 Mar 22 7.59pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Does the way the right in the USA, supported by their fanboys here, are behaving at the moment disturb you? I think they are providing support to the enemy by feeding them propaganda that can be paraded in front of the Russian people.

I would hope they could show some self-restraint at this time of crisis and suspend their constant political point scoring and get behind their country's, and the west's efforts.

Political gestures always upset me. Right now, they disgust me.

Promotion of aspects of propaganda is clearly not helpful. It doesn't exactly scream 'love of country'. Instead it's more about supporting anyone to spite the current administration. Foolish since 1) this bio lab has spanned multiple administrations and been acknowledged as such at the time, and 2) only reason it's at the forefront of these 'free thinkers' minds is due to adherence to a Russian propaganda push. The context that it was pushed by Russia at the exact same time as a whole host of other bio bullsh!t, should give people pause for thought about acting on Russia's behalf for free. At least Carlson and co (any excessively echo chamber take left or tight) get paid for their theatrics.


Edited by BlueJay (11 Mar 2022 8.07pm)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 11 Mar 22 8.46pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

"12,000 U.S. troops have been mobilized along the Russian border to defend NATO countries:

“We have a sacred obligation on NATO territory."

Good. NATO should reinforce all their borders with Russia.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 11 Mar 22 9.39pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

BBC News:

"Biden warns US intervention in Ukraine would mean WW3"

Somebody get that invalid, geriatric f**k out of office.

That surely has to be the worst statement possible to make.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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BlueJay Flag UK 11 Mar 22 10.31pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

BBC News:

"Biden warns US intervention in Ukraine would mean WW3"

Somebody get that invalid, geriatric f**k out of office.

That surely has to be the worst statement possible to make.

Please don't speak ill of the dead!


 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 11 Mar 22 10.35pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Please don't speak ill of the dead!


Reading back now that may have been an overreaction but someone talk me out of my internal explosion of panic!

That to me reads as 'USA will do nothing and if it comes to the point they actually might, nukes will start flying".

I cannot see the logic behind it at all. By all means think it but don't announce it surely???

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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BlueJay Flag UK 11 Mar 22 10.42pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Reading back now that may have been an overreaction but someone talk me out of my internal explosion of panic!

That to me reads as 'USA will do nothing and if it comes to the point they actually might, nukes will start flying".

I cannot see the logic behind it at all. By all means think it but don't announce it surely???

It's not like Joe to put his foot in it .

But yes I see what you mean, it's hard to know what to say in such circumstances. A red line is better than no line, but it seems weak to me to keep saying there's no way they'll get directly involved. That's not to say I think they should, because I most certainly don't. It's just why show your hand to someone who likes to escalate and doesn't respect weakness. They should keep him guessing.

I guess realistically NATO countries have been responsible since the start of this, and are waiting to see where Putin takes it. Out of our hands to a large extent as constant bombing and nuclear threats aren't an ideal backdrop to peace talks!


Edited by BlueJay (11 Mar 2022 10.42pm)

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 11 Mar 22 10.47pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

It's not like Joe to put his foot in it .

But yes I see what you mean, it's hard to know what to say in such circumstances. A red line is better than no line, but it seems weak to me to keep saying there's no way they'll get directly involved. That's not to say I think they should, because I most certainly don't. It's just why show your hand to someone who likes to escalate and doesn't respect weakness. They should keep him guessing.

I guess realistically NATO countries have been responsible since the start of this, and are waiting to see where Putin takes it. Out of our hands to a large extent as constant bombing and nuclear threats aren't an ideal backdrop to peace talks!


Edited by BlueJay (11 Mar 2022 10.42pm)

Yes I do see the logic in your thoughts.

Perhaps it is a bit of brinkmanship to say 'go on, escalate things further (beyond Ukraine) I dare you!'

I also highly doubt he personally, and alone, would release a statement like that.

I'm sure not great news for Ukraine but let's see how it plays out. I'm gonna put some David Gray on the headphones so as not to wake the wife, expertly craft a roll up and take a mental walk in a Freedman wonderland for a while!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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BlueJay Flag UK 11 Mar 22 10.59pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Yes I do see the logic in your thoughts.

Perhaps it is a bit of brinkmanship to say 'go on, escalate things further (beyond Ukraine) I dare you!'

I also highly doubt he personally, and alone, would release a statement like that.

I'm sure not great news for Ukraine but let's see how it plays out. I'm gonna put some David Gray on the headphones so as not to wake the wife, expertly craft a roll up and take a mental walk in a Freedman wonderland for a while!

Sounds ideal actually . Enjoy. Good to hear David Gray getting a mention too. Talented guy!

 

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