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Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Feb 20 10.24pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do we know whether the Police have ever decided not to publicise the existence of a serial killer? If they think they feed on the oxygen of publicity they might well do so.

We don't know. Only those in operational charge of any investigation knows what the thinking behind every decision was. Second guessing these might make good headlines in the Mail but doesn't actually tell us very much.


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 20 10.37pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Of course it never has been acceptable to "fiddle with kids". However it is undeniable that when I was a kid myself no-one even really knew it was going on. It just wasn't talked about. Looking back now there was a dodgy scoutmaster who would certainly have attracted some attention today. There was though a funny guy in the local park who made advances to local boys who was arrested by the Police.

It was a different culture though. Those in the Churches, and in places of authority like Parliament, felt such things were best handled "in house" and the media back then was much more deferential to them.

That things have changed for the better is obvious but that doesn't mean we ought to condemn everyone who lived back then. They didn't know what we know.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 20 10.40pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

It's a reasonable opinion which isn't in anyway in conflict with anything I have suggested.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 20 10.44pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst


I give you
Tommy robinson.
Hasnt gone well has it?

"Robinson" attacks Muslims per se. Which I suggested was not appropriate. I also suggested that you need to be factual. He isn't.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Feb 20 10.55pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's a reasonable opinion which isn't in anyway in conflict with anything I have suggested.

But this is the former head of the CPS claiming investigations were held off through the fear of accusations of racism not for any operational reasons. If that’s what you suggested than apologies; I missed it.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Feb 20 11.04pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

WE's opinions all amount to the same outcome.

He's an apologist and an elitest, and it's the pro globalist agenda that are the reasons why this imported rape situation happens at the scale it does....and will continue. It's this agenda which is why we will have to continue to pick up body parts off our streets.....Yet the peoples of Eastern Europe won't have to.

He can voice his opinions but as far as I'm concerned they aren't worth used toilet paper.

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Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Feb 20 11.06pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course it never has been acceptable to "fiddle with kids". However it is undeniable that when I was a kid myself no-one even really knew it was going on. It just wasn't talked about. Looking back now there was a dodgy scoutmaster who would certainly have attracted some attention today. There was though a funny guy in the local park who made advances to local boys who was arrested by the Police.

It was a different culture though. Those in the Churches, and in places of authority like Parliament, felt such things were best handled "in house" and the media back then was much more deferential to them.

That things have changed for the better is obvious but that doesn't mean we ought to condemn everyone who lived back then. They didn't know what we know.

No one is denying the world was different in 1955 but these are things which are still happening.
Every generation thinks it is the most enlightened in history. In 50 years time people will be astonished at a lot of the current thinking just as we are looking back.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 26 Feb 20 5.39am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

SS has quite regularly misrepresented my views on the grooming gang scandal and he is at it again. I won't dignify it, or"bore" anyone, by repeating everything once again. Those who want to believe him will, whatever I say to the contrary.

I will just say it's a deliberately twisted presentation of my desire not to tarnish every Muslim with the sins of some who are criminals alongside my wish to try to support the Police in their efforts to deal with these problems, knowing they are unresourced and under heavy criticism. That doesn't mean that if mistakes have been made they ought to be covered up. I just don't think that "Police bashing" helps anyone and the kind of activity that "Robinson" indulges in is distinctly negative in impact.

This quote demonstrates where we differ:-

"The reactions of the police in ensuring no publicity not only compounded the situation and allowed it to carry on for years".

No-one knows if that is true. No-one knows whether things would have been better if there had been heavy publicity earlier. It's an assumption. It might have caused the criminals communities to close even tighter around them and have hampered the Police's ability to investigate. It might have caused a severe breakdown in trust between local communities. I don't know, but what I am quite sure about is that who-ever took the decision did so with the best of intentions. They thought it was the best way forward and whilst time may have shown that to be wrong, in some people's opinion,they ought not be castigated. They need to be supported.

Has anyone on here has tarnished 'every' muslim.
Even TR has categorically said it isnt all muslims;in fact his issue is with islam not muslims.
Dig dug strikes again.
You are going to wear that shovel out.

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 26 Feb 20 5.58am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I won't dignify it, or"bore" anyone, by repeating everything once again.

Why are you changing the habits of a lifetime as you've bored everyone stupid with your constant repetition for years and have single handedly ruined this forum as a discussion centre for most people

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Feb 20 8.08am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Another comment from the Secretary of the Child Abuse Inquiry in case people think the elite blocking or not acting on investigations was in the past.

He pointed out that a number of the major political parties still do not have a child safeguarding policy and for those that do it is a tick box exercise "fire and forget".

The Inquiry asked the Chief Whip of the Labour Party what he would do if allegations were reported to him. He replied that his actions would depend on the individual circumstances and the seriousness of the allegations.

Wrong answer, Labour is one of the few parties that does have a policy and the Chief Whip does not have any part in the process. He should have followed his own guidelines and not inserted himself into the process.

Still this is all theoretical, I mean senior people in the Labour party would never insert themselves into a process going against their own guidelines next your be telling me they did this over claims of anti-Semitism, oh wait they did.

And to add balance the Tories do not have a policy neither do the Greens who allowed a candidate to use her father who was awaiting trial on serious sexual offences to be her election agent.

I liked the secretary he was calm methodical and backed up what he said with specific examples his main point being politicians are more concerned about reputation (theirs or the party) than justice.

And the way his is talking nothing has changed.

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.TUX. Flag 26 Feb 20 8.37am

Originally posted by Badger11

''Another comment from the Secretary of the Child Abuse Inquiry in case people think the elite blocking or not acting on investigations was in the past''.

Edited by Badger11 (26 Feb 2020 8.10am)

You'll never convince him. Never in a million years.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Feb 20 9.41am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Has anyone on here has tarnished 'every' muslim.
Even TR has categorically said it isnt all muslims;in fact his issue is with islam not muslims.
Dig dug strikes again.
You are going to wear that shovel out.

When grooming gangs are described as "muslim" then every other Muslim is tarnished by association.

The IRA weren't described as "Roman Catholic" terrorists.

"Robinson" does use "Muslim", although I don't actually see much distinction between using that and "Islam". As an example:-

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