I'm amazed there has been so many pages on what is a forgone conclusion.

Corbyn et all, have ruined any chance what so ever of Labour being an effective opposition, even I will acknowledge that is a very bad thing indeed.

So thanks Compo, Abbott, and McDonnell. You've given the Torys free rain for the next 5 years and there's f*** all the voting People can do about it, unless they want to be in a even worse state than we are already.

Momentum, more like Mutants.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

So you're saying you believe Corbyn if he says he wouldn't push the red button but you don't believe him when he says he will deliver more funding for schools and hospitals, or make the tax system fairer? Seems like double standards to me.

In terms of going to war a precedent has been set for this to be a parliamentary decision, so Corbyn wouldn't be making unilateral decisions one way or another.

In terms of nuclear option, it will never be used. It's a catch 22. You can say that other countries will think they can do what they like with Corbyn in power as he would never use Trident even if we have it, but that would be the definition of arrogant hubris on their part. The whole point of having it is as a deterrent not to actually ever use it. Whoever might want to launch a nuclear attack on us would know we had Trident and could never be sure we wouldn't use it on them, even if Corbyn said he wouldn't use it.

It's game theory at it's most basic. One day we will work out a way of not having it, but probably not in our lifetimes.

I think there are more important 'battlegrounds' in this election and austerity, schooling and healthcare should be right up there. If we're talking about credibility then the evidence suggests the Tories have none. They haven't delivered on their 2015 manifesto, they didn't provide any sort of strength or stability, they are in the middle of being investigated for electoral fraud, May has made a number of U-Turns in her short time in power, the latest of which is a political play to make her less accountable not more so.

The point is that they don't. They say they do and that soundbite is broadcast.

The Tories PR machine is well oiled. I'd be amazed to see May confronted by any "member of the public" that she wasn't briefed about in advance. She doesn't want to meet them and doesn't need to. Her PR department will portray well orchestrated meetings as her out among hoi poloi. She won't be in a situation like Brown with the "bigoted old woman" or Farron with the Leave voter a couple of weeks ago.

Average UK earnings in November 2016 were a record high of £509 per week (£306 in February 2000 under Labour).

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

You're missing the point. I was highlighting the difference between party policy and a leader, in this case a prime minister willing to carry it out.

Corbyn has made his feelings regarding intervention at pretty much any level clear. Party policy is irrelevant

I call bullsh1t

Edited by dannyh (08 May 2017 2.25pm)

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"