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Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Quote nickgusset at 15 Nov 2014 2.49pm

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2014 2.10pm

Hilarious innit. That those who take the p1ss out of the left with their 'student' ideals are quite happy to view UKIP with an uncritical eye and see Farage as a political knight in shining armour who can do no wrong.

Awww - up the EU revolution!

Matt_himself is just on a wind up Kermit. Probly best just to ignore him.

We are in the end game. All of Gusset's questions have been answered so his last route of attack to claim the person who opposes his views is on a 'wind up'.

The circle is complete.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Nov 14 4.41pm

Quote matt_himself at 15 Nov 2014 4.31pm

Quote nickgusset at 15 Nov 2014 2.49pm

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2014 2.10pm

Hilarious innit. That those who take the p1ss out of the left with their 'student' ideals are quite happy to view UKIP with an uncritical eye and see Farage as a political knight in shining armour who can do no wrong.

Awww - up the EU revolution!

Matt_himself is just on a wind up Kermit. Probly best just to ignore him.

We are in the end game. All of Gusset's questions have been answered so his last route of attack to claim the person who opposes his views is on a 'wind up'.

The circle is complete.

You haven't answered a single question. When shown a film showing Farage saying he wanted the NHS to be replaced by an insurance based system, you said it wa out of context, when shown the context you didn't say, 'oh perhaps he did' you just said that you agree.
You are only here to wind people up.

Some more fun facts about those involved in UKIP:

Geoffrey Clarke, a Ukip candidate, said that the NHS should introduce compulsory abortion for foetuses detected to have a disability.
Ukip candidate Alexandra Swann argued that the unemployed shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Ukip want to make it illegal for women to go outside if they chose to wear a burqa, and were opposed to allowing same-sex couples to get married.
The party manifesto also pledges to double prison places, restrict the free movement of people within the EU and repeal the Human Rights Act - the very document that ensures unalienable liberty for all.

The fact that you support the party that wants this speaks volumes about the type of person you are.

 

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sydtheeagle Flag England 15 Nov 14 4.50pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

All of this (above) is unsurprising. Extreme right wing parties are not based on concepts...only on their opposition (read: dislike) to something. This was as true with the fascists of various colours in the late 20s and 30s (see Romania, Italy, later Germany, etc.) as it is with the incrementally proto-fascist right wing parties of today. History is pretty clear on this. UKIP doesn't stand FOR anything; it simply stands in opposition to what it chooses to dislike (immigrants, the state, etc.) There is no position for Matt to explain any more than there is any substance to Farage. That is why he is stumped.

 


Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 15 Nov 14 4.51pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 15 Nov 2014 4.41pm

Quote matt_himself at 15 Nov 2014 4.31pm

Quote nickgusset at 15 Nov 2014 2.49pm

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2014 2.10pm

Hilarious innit. That those who take the p1ss out of the left with their 'student' ideals are quite happy to view UKIP with an uncritical eye and see Farage as a political knight in shining armour who can do no wrong.

Awww - up the EU revolution!

Matt_himself is just on a wind up Kermit. Probly best just to ignore him.

We are in the end game. All of Gusset's questions have been answered so his last route of attack to claim the person who opposes his views is on a 'wind up'.

The circle is complete.

You haven't answered a single question. When shown a film showing Farage saying he wanted the NHS to be replaced by an insurance based system, you said it wa out of context, when shown the context you didn't say, 'oh perhaps he did' you just said that you agree.
You are only here to wind people up.

Some more fun facts about those involved in UKIP:

Geoffrey Clarke, a Ukip candidate, said that the NHS should introduce compulsory abortion for foetuses detected to have a disability.
Ukip candidate Alexandra Swann argued that the unemployed shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Ukip want to make it illegal for women to go outside if they chose to wear a burqa, and were opposed to allowing same-sex couples to get married.
The party manifesto also pledges to double prison places, restrict the free movement of people within the EU and repeal the Human Rights Act - the very document that ensures unalienable liberty for all.

The fact that you support the party that wants this speaks volumes about the type of person you are.

Give it up gusset. I have answered what was put to me. The fact that nothing I saw has changed my views and have the socialist epiphany you wish that all who come into contact with you and your politics, is a delusion you have to live with. I have met plenty of people like you in life, attempting to be political missionaries, change people's views by bombarding them with your propaganda.

I didn't say that Farages comments were thane out of context, I asked what context they made, and Kermit provided the video.

The fact that people with views that differ from you winds you up is something you have to deal with. There will always be people whose views differ from you. It is life.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Nov 14 5.09pm

Quote matt_himself at 15 Nov 2014 4.51pm

Quote nickgusset at 15 Nov 2014 4.41pm

Quote matt_himself at 15 Nov 2014 4.31pm

Quote nickgusset at 15 Nov 2014 2.49pm

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2014 2.10pm

Hilarious innit. That those who take the p1ss out of the left with their 'student' ideals are quite happy to view UKIP with an uncritical eye and see Farage as a political knight in shining armour who can do no wrong.

Awww - up the EU revolution!

Matt_himself is just on a wind up Kermit. Probly best just to ignore him.

We are in the end game. All of Gusset's questions have been answered so his last route of attack to claim the person who opposes his views is on a 'wind up'.

The circle is complete.

You haven't answered a single question. When shown a film showing Farage saying he wanted the NHS to be replaced by an insurance based system, you said it wa out of context, when shown the context you didn't say, 'oh perhaps he did' you just said that you agree.
You are only here to wind people up.

Some more fun facts about those involved in UKIP:

Geoffrey Clarke, a Ukip candidate, said that the NHS should introduce compulsory abortion for foetuses detected to have a disability.
Ukip candidate Alexandra Swann argued that the unemployed shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Ukip want to make it illegal for women to go outside if they chose to wear a burqa, and were opposed to allowing same-sex couples to get married.
The party manifesto also pledges to double prison places, restrict the free movement of people within the EU and repeal the Human Rights Act - the very document that ensures unalienable liberty for all.

The fact that you support the party that wants this speaks volumes about the type of person you are.

Give it up gusset. I have answered what was put to me. The fact that nothing I saw has changed my views and have the socialist epiphany you wish that all who come into contact with you and your politics, is a delusion you have to live with. I have met plenty of people like you in life, attempting to be political missionaries, change people's views by bombarding them with your propaganda.

I didn't say that Farages comments were thane out of context, I asked what context they made, and Kermit provided the video.

The fact that people with views that differ from you winds you up is something you have to deal with. There will always be people whose views differ from you. It is life.


You said that farage saying that the Health service should be insurance based was a non story. You dismissed it. Admit it. How wrong you were, was all over the news within a day.
You are the blinkered one. You believe all that you read in the press. You are suckered into following and promoting the bile that UKIP spew on a daily basis.

The party you support support terminating disabled babies. The party you support cannot make up their minds from one day to the next. The party you support are full of failed or disgraced tory MP's, yet you say they are a breath of fresh air.

I am going to paste some info about UKIP, I make no apologies. Read it and tell me that they represent the common man. Go on. I dare you.

Nigel Farage

The UKIP party leader Nigel Farage clearly assumes the majority of people are stupid enough to fall for his jovial pint-swilling "man of the people" act. I mean how gullible would you have to be to believe that a privately educated former Tory party activist and commodities trader in the City of London is the kind of guy to stand up against the wealthy establishment in order to defend the interests of ordinary people?

perhaps it is a little unfair to judge Farage only by his establishment background, because the left-wing firebrand Tony Benn also came from an establishment background and nobody could ever accuse him of being a Tory. Of all the many many things that Farage has said and done to actually prove that he's still a Tory at heart is the way he lionises Margaret Thatcher and declares himself and UKIP to be the heirs to Thatcherism. A man can hardly declare that he is the only politician "keeping the flame of Thatcherism alive" without looking like a Tory in a purple tie.

Stuart Wheeler

Many might imagine that Nigel Farage is the driving force behind UKIP, but he's just the charismatic front-man. The guy who is really running the show is the Eton educated UKIP party treasurer Stuart Wheeler. Wheeler made his fortune setting up the spread betting firm IG Index in the 1970s. Until 2011 he was a Tory party supporter, so much so that the £5 million donation he made to the Tories in 2001 to bankroll their General Election campaign is still the single largest political donation in British political history.

Wheeler has gone from bankrolling the Tory party to bankrolling UKIP, and he's brought a large network of other former Tory party donors with him. UKIP is bankrolled by former Tory party donors to such an extent that 90% of their donations now come from the people who used to bankroll the Tory party!

Neil Hamilton

The Tory MP for Tatton Neil Hamilton became a political joke after he was caught up in the cash for questions scandal in 1994. Despite having the fourth strongest Tory majority in the whole country Hamilton was easily defeated by the anti-corruption campaigner Martin Bell at the 1997 General Election. Subsequently Neil and his wife Christine were given numerous opportunities to keep themselves in the limelight on shows like Have I got News for You and The Weakest Link.

In 2011 Nigel Farage handed Neil Hamilton his ticket back into politics by supporting his bid to join the UKIP National Executive Committee. By 2014 Hamilton had worked his way up to deputy Chairman of the party and campaign director for the 2014 European Elections.

Back in the 1990s I found it infuriating that several TV shows allowed this guy to blatantly cash in on the corruption allegations against him, but it's even more infuriating that UKIP have welcomed him back into the world of politics with open arms.

William Legge

Eton educated William Legge (or "The 10th Earl of Dartmouth" to use his establishment title) was a Tory member of the unelected House of Lords from 1999 to 2007. In 2009 he was elected as a UKIP MEP for the South West region, which I suppose is actually better than simply being appointed to the bloated anti-democratic shambles that is the House of Lords. The point still stands that he's one of the many former Tories now wearing the purple and yellow of UKIP.

Roger Helmer

Roger Helmer is another Tory MEP to have defected to UKIP. He was originally elected a Conservative MEP in 1999, but defected to UKIP in 2012. Many people have taken offence at Helmer's bigotry (claiming that rape victims "share a part of the responsibility", comparing gay equality with bigotry and incest, claiming that homophobia is a meaningless word ...) and his climate change denialism, however I'm much more concerned about his links to a foreign right-wing corporate pressure group called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

ALEC is a profoundly disturbing organisation that writes corporate friendly "model legislation" which is then turned into state law by ALEC friendly legislators. Laws written by, or heavily influenced by ALEC include the classification of environmental protest activities as "terrorism", further privatisation of the US education system, deregulation of the US energy and telecommunications markets, support for the private prison-industrial complex and the appalling "stand your ground" murderers' charter.

Helmer was appointed as an Adam Smith Scholar by ALEC in 2005 and served on the ALEC International Relations Task Force. It seems extremely odd that someone with such strong links with an organisation intent on rewriting the law in the US and abroad in order to suit corporate interests, would want to join a party that endlessly harps on about protecting British sovereignty. The only way it makes any sense is if the endlessly repeated UKIP concerns about British sovereignty are just a smokescreen to obscure an extremely right-wing pro-corporate agenda.

Janice Atkinson

Janice Atkinson sprung into the public consciousness when she decided to verbally abuse some Green Party activists and was photographed making obscene gestures at them during the 2014 European election campaign. Despite this loutish behaviour she was still elected as a UKIP MEP for the South East.

Before Janice Atkinson defected to UKIP in 2011 she was a failed Tory. She was a press officer for the Tory party during their disastrous 2005 General Election campaign and in 2010 she was a failed Tory parliamentary candidate in the West Yorkshire constituency of Batley and Spen. It was the failure of politicians like Janice Atkinson to win back seats that were lost to Labour in 1997 that prevented the Tories from forming a majority government in 2010.

Even though she is clearly an obnoxious individual, it is difficult not to admire her opportunism. She was clearly failing to get anywhere within the Tory party, so she made the decision to jump ship and get herself on the gravy train of European parliamentary expenses with UKIP instead.

Bill Etheridge

Bill Etheridge is another of the crop of Tory party failures to have joined UKIP before the 2014 European elections. Prospective Tory party councilors Bill and his wife Star resigned from the party after having been suspended for posting pictures of themselves holding golliwog dolls on social media.

Nigel Farage was given reason to regret welcoming Etheridge into the UKIP fold when he decided to advise a UKIP youth conference that they should try to imitate the speaking style of Adolf Hitler!

Bill Etheridge is clearly a man with an appalling lack of self-awareness. After the Daily Telegraph reported his Hitler comments, he had the cheek to criticise their coverage as "tasteless" and "disgusting" as if advising the UKIP youth to strut around like a bunch of little Hitlers is perfectly acceptable.

Another indicator of his appalling lack of self-awareness is a sneering Facebook attack on the Tory party for their feeble "vote UKIP get Labour" propaganda campaign. His riposte is that "if you vote UKIP, you get UKIP". It seems that he has completely forgotten his political past, otherwise he might have said "Vote UKIP, get Tory rejects like me".

Nathan Gill

Yet another embarrassing addition to the UKIP fold as a result of the 2014 European elections is the former Tory party activist Nathan Gill. Shortly after he was elected as the UKIP MEP for Wales it was revealed that until 2008 he had run a home care company in Hull that had mainly employed Polish and Phillipino immigrants on poverty wages, many of them living in bunkhouse accommodation. Gill didn't close his immigrant reliant business because of any new found opposition to immigration, the business went bankrupt with debts of £116,000.

The appalling hypocrisy of going from an employer who pays such low wages that they are forced to rely upon dozens and dozens of immigrant workers living in bunkhouse accomodation, to standing as a candidate for an anti-immigration party is undeniable.

Aside from the fact that he seems to be a perfectly inappropriate candidate for an anti-immigration party, another question must surely be why UKIP couldn't find any better candidates in the whole of Wales than a man with no real business experience apart from driving his company into bankruptcy, despite cutting costs by exploiting cheap foreign labour?
Amjad Bashir

Amjad Bashir is yet another long-term Tory party activist turned UKIP MEP. He explained that his main reasons for joining UKIP are to remove the UK from the EU, his opposition to gay equality and his desire to dramatically cut down on immigration.

The hypocrisy and self-interest of a pakistani born immigrant joining UKIP and making statements like "we now have to seriously restrict immigration" is appalling. He's one of the beneficiaries of immigration into the UK from the former colonies, now he wants to kick away the ladder to stop others coming and benefiting in the same way that he has.Douglas Carswell

Despite his propensity for expenses scamming (flipping his second home, getting the taxpayer to pay for all manner of expensive furniture and subsidise his food bills) and his climate change denialism, Charterhouse educated Douglas Carswell was a darling of the Tory party, attracting glowing praise from the Telegraph, the Spectator and the Tory blogger Guido Fawkes. Despite all of the praise, Carswell's main political achievement within the Tory party seems to have been the ridiculous campaign to politicise the police by introducing elected PCCs, a policy which resulted in the lowest electoral turnouts since universal suffrage!

In August 2014 Carswell defected to UKIP claiming that David Cameron was not doing enough to deliver change.
Mark Reckless

Of all of the new crop of Tory MPs in 2010 Mark Reckless was one of the least notable. In fact, hardly anyone had even heard of him until he decided to follow Douglas Carswell's lead and defect to UKIP. His decision to announce his defection at the UKIP conference, and just a couple of days before the Tory party conference seemed premeditated to create the maximum possible publicity.

Before he defected to UKIP a few of the only notable things he did were joining five other Tories to vote against the tripling of "aspiration taxes" for university students, excusing the fact that he missed a parliamentary vote by claiming that he was too drunk and laying into Douglas Carswell for defecting to UKIP!

David Silvester


The eleven other people mentioned in this article have all defected from the Tory party and achieved important positions within UKIP (party leader, deputy chairman, MEP, party treasurer, candidate MPs ...) however it is important not to forget the dozens and dozens of Tory party councilors to have defected to UKIP too.

Until 2013 David Silvester was a Tory councilor in Henley-on-Thames, but then he decided to defect to UKIP. He hit the headlines in 2014 when he decided to blame the Somerset Floods on the introduction of gay equality legislation (in my view one of the very few decent things the Tory led government has actually done).

UKIP initially tried to defend Silvester's absurd comments by saying they were just his own personal opinion, however Nigel Farage went on to say that it was "incredibly damaging" when "defectors" from the Conservative Party join Ukip and say "appalling and outrageous things". If Farage is really so concerned about defectors from the Tory party damaging the reputation of his party, one has to wonder why he continues to allow extremists from the far-right fringe of the Tory party to flood into his party through the door that he is holding open for them?

Conclusion

If UKIP is 90% bankrolled by former Tory donors and is full of ex-Tory politicians and activists, what grounds does anyone have to suspect that they're not just a Tory splinter group?

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One can only admire Fidel_Himself's revolutionary zeal and find the naive intransigence that goes along with it somewhat endearing.

Power to the peeeople!

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2014 5.57pm

One can only admire Fidel_Himself's revolutionary zeal and find the naive intransigence that goes along with it somewhat endearing.

Power to the peeeople!


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Speaking in general. It does amuse me how people will do a merry dance rather than just admit that the reason they admire UKIP is because they think there are too many foreigners in the country. If you want to be taken seriously as a political entity, you shouldn't be afraid of upsetting the PC liberal brigade by being honest.
London is now more than 55% non white. That is a fact. A lot of people don't like it and certainly didn't vote for it. They are not interested in economic arguments or platitudes about a rainbow nation. They just don't want to be outnumbered at the ballot box and the high street by people of different nationalities with alien religious practices and customs.
There's no point in banging on about Europe when we all know that the main subject that people are hot under the collar about is immigration. The fact that these kind of attitudes are branded as racist is helping to fuel the fire of these kind of unspoken resentments.

 

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Quote nickgusset at 15 Nov 2014 5.09pm

Quote matt_himself at 15 Nov 2014 4.51pm

Quote nickgusset at 15 Nov 2014 4.41pm

Quote matt_himself at 15 Nov 2014 4.31pm

Quote nickgusset at 15 Nov 2014 2.49pm

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2014 2.10pm

Hilarious innit. That those who take the p1ss out of the left with their 'student' ideals are quite happy to view UKIP with an uncritical eye and see Farage as a political knight in shining armour who can do no wrong.

Awww - up the EU revolution!

Matt_himself is just on a wind up Kermit. Probly best just to ignore him.

We are in the end game. All of Gusset's questions have been answered so his last route of attack to claim the person who opposes his views is on a 'wind up'.

The circle is complete.

You haven't answered a single question. When shown a film showing Farage saying he wanted the NHS to be replaced by an insurance based system, you said it wa out of context, when shown the context you didn't say, 'oh perhaps he did' you just said that you agree.
You are only here to wind people up.

Some more fun facts about those involved in UKIP:

Geoffrey Clarke, a Ukip candidate, said that the NHS should introduce compulsory abortion for foetuses detected to have a disability.
Ukip candidate Alexandra Swann argued that the unemployed shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Ukip want to make it illegal for women to go outside if they chose to wear a burqa, and were opposed to allowing same-sex couples to get married.
The party manifesto also pledges to double prison places, restrict the free movement of people within the EU and repeal the Human Rights Act - the very document that ensures unalienable liberty for all.

The fact that you support the party that wants this speaks volumes about the type of person you are.

Give it up gusset. I have answered what was put to me. The fact that nothing I saw has changed my views and have the socialist epiphany you wish that all who come into contact with you and your politics, is a delusion you have to live with. I have met plenty of people like you in life, attempting to be political missionaries, change people's views by bombarding them with your propaganda.

I didn't say that Farages comments were thane out of context, I asked what context they made, and Kermit provided the video.

The fact that people with views that differ from you winds you up is something you have to deal with. There will always be people whose views differ from you. It is life.


You said that farage saying that the Health service should be insurance based was a non story. You dismissed it. Admit it. How wrong you were, was all over the news within a day.
You are the blinkered one. You believe all that you read in the press. You are suckered into following and promoting the bile that UKIP spew on a daily basis.

The party you support support terminating disabled babies. The party you support cannot make up their minds from one day to the next. The party you support are full of failed or disgraced tory MP's, yet you say they are a breath of fresh air.

I am going to paste some info about UKIP, I make no apologies. Read it and tell me that they represent the common man. Go on. I dare you.

Nigel Farage

The UKIP party leader Nigel Farage clearly assumes the majority of people are stupid enough to fall for his jovial pint-swilling "man of the people" act. I mean how gullible would you have to be to believe that a privately educated former Tory party activist and commodities trader in the City of London is the kind of guy to stand up against the wealthy establishment in order to defend the interests of ordinary people?

perhaps it is a little unfair to judge Farage only by his establishment background, because the left-wing firebrand Tony Benn also came from an establishment background and nobody could ever accuse him of being a Tory. Of all the many many things that Farage has said and done to actually prove that he's still a Tory at heart is the way he lionises Margaret Thatcher and declares himself and UKIP to be the heirs to Thatcherism. A man can hardly declare that he is the only politician "keeping the flame of Thatcherism alive" without looking like a Tory in a purple tie.

Stuart Wheeler

Many might imagine that Nigel Farage is the driving force behind UKIP, but he's just the charismatic front-man. The guy who is really running the show is the Eton educated UKIP party treasurer Stuart Wheeler. Wheeler made his fortune setting up the spread betting firm IG Index in the 1970s. Until 2011 he was a Tory party supporter, so much so that the £5 million donation he made to the Tories in 2001 to bankroll their General Election campaign is still the single largest political donation in British political history.

Wheeler has gone from bankrolling the Tory party to bankrolling UKIP, and he's brought a large network of other former Tory party donors with him. UKIP is bankrolled by former Tory party donors to such an extent that 90% of their donations now come from the people who used to bankroll the Tory party!

Neil Hamilton

The Tory MP for Tatton Neil Hamilton became a political joke after he was caught up in the cash for questions scandal in 1994. Despite having the fourth strongest Tory majority in the whole country Hamilton was easily defeated by the anti-corruption campaigner Martin Bell at the 1997 General Election. Subsequently Neil and his wife Christine were given numerous opportunities to keep themselves in the limelight on shows like Have I got News for You and The Weakest Link.

In 2011 Nigel Farage handed Neil Hamilton his ticket back into politics by supporting his bid to join the UKIP National Executive Committee. By 2014 Hamilton had worked his way up to deputy Chairman of the party and campaign director for the 2014 European Elections.

Back in the 1990s I found it infuriating that several TV shows allowed this guy to blatantly cash in on the corruption allegations against him, but it's even more infuriating that UKIP have welcomed him back into the world of politics with open arms.

William Legge

Eton educated William Legge (or "The 10th Earl of Dartmouth" to use his establishment title) was a Tory member of the unelected House of Lords from 1999 to 2007. In 2009 he was elected as a UKIP MEP for the South West region, which I suppose is actually better than simply being appointed to the bloated anti-democratic shambles that is the House of Lords. The point still stands that he's one of the many former Tories now wearing the purple and yellow of UKIP.

Roger Helmer

Roger Helmer is another Tory MEP to have defected to UKIP. He was originally elected a Conservative MEP in 1999, but defected to UKIP in 2012. Many people have taken offence at Helmer's bigotry (claiming that rape victims "share a part of the responsibility", comparing gay equality with bigotry and incest, claiming that homophobia is a meaningless word ...) and his climate change denialism, however I'm much more concerned about his links to a foreign right-wing corporate pressure group called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

ALEC is a profoundly disturbing organisation that writes corporate friendly "model legislation" which is then turned into state law by ALEC friendly legislators. Laws written by, or heavily influenced by ALEC include the classification of environmental protest activities as "terrorism", further privatisation of the US education system, deregulation of the US energy and telecommunications markets, support for the private prison-industrial complex and the appalling "stand your ground" murderers' charter.

Helmer was appointed as an Adam Smith Scholar by ALEC in 2005 and served on the ALEC International Relations Task Force. It seems extremely odd that someone with such strong links with an organisation intent on rewriting the law in the US and abroad in order to suit corporate interests, would want to join a party that endlessly harps on about protecting British sovereignty. The only way it makes any sense is if the endlessly repeated UKIP concerns about British sovereignty are just a smokescreen to obscure an extremely right-wing pro-corporate agenda.

Janice Atkinson

Janice Atkinson sprung into the public consciousness when she decided to verbally abuse some Green Party activists and was photographed making obscene gestures at them during the 2014 European election campaign. Despite this loutish behaviour she was still elected as a UKIP MEP for the South East.

Before Janice Atkinson defected to UKIP in 2011 she was a failed Tory. She was a press officer for the Tory party during their disastrous 2005 General Election campaign and in 2010 she was a failed Tory parliamentary candidate in the West Yorkshire constituency of Batley and Spen. It was the failure of politicians like Janice Atkinson to win back seats that were lost to Labour in 1997 that prevented the Tories from forming a majority government in 2010.

Even though she is clearly an obnoxious individual, it is difficult not to admire her opportunism. She was clearly failing to get anywhere within the Tory party, so she made the decision to jump ship and get herself on the gravy train of European parliamentary expenses with UKIP instead.

Bill Etheridge

Bill Etheridge is another of the crop of Tory party failures to have joined UKIP before the 2014 European elections. Prospective Tory party councilors Bill and his wife Star resigned from the party after having been suspended for posting pictures of themselves holding golliwog dolls on social media.

Nigel Farage was given reason to regret welcoming Etheridge into the UKIP fold when he decided to advise a UKIP youth conference that they should try to imitate the speaking style of Adolf Hitler!

Bill Etheridge is clearly a man with an appalling lack of self-awareness. After the Daily Telegraph reported his Hitler comments, he had the cheek to criticise their coverage as "tasteless" and "disgusting" as if advising the UKIP youth to strut around like a bunch of little Hitlers is perfectly acceptable.

Another indicator of his appalling lack of self-awareness is a sneering Facebook attack on the Tory party for their feeble "vote UKIP get Labour" propaganda campaign. His riposte is that "if you vote UKIP, you get UKIP". It seems that he has completely forgotten his political past, otherwise he might have said "Vote UKIP, get Tory rejects like me".

Nathan Gill

Yet another embarrassing addition to the UKIP fold as a result of the 2014 European elections is the former Tory party activist Nathan Gill. Shortly after he was elected as the UKIP MEP for Wales it was revealed that until 2008 he had run a home care company in Hull that had mainly employed Polish and Phillipino immigrants on poverty wages, many of them living in bunkhouse accommodation. Gill didn't close his immigrant reliant business because of any new found opposition to immigration, the business went bankrupt with debts of £116,000.

The appalling hypocrisy of going from an employer who pays such low wages that they are forced to rely upon dozens and dozens of immigrant workers living in bunkhouse accomodation, to standing as a candidate for an anti-immigration party is undeniable.

Aside from the fact that he seems to be a perfectly inappropriate candidate for an anti-immigration party, another question must surely be why UKIP couldn't find any better candidates in the whole of Wales than a man with no real business experience apart from driving his company into bankruptcy, despite cutting costs by exploiting cheap foreign labour?
Amjad Bashir

Amjad Bashir is yet another long-term Tory party activist turned UKIP MEP. He explained that his main reasons for joining UKIP are to remove the UK from the EU, his opposition to gay equality and his desire to dramatically cut down on immigration.

The hypocrisy and self-interest of a pakistani born immigrant joining UKIP and making statements like "we now have to seriously restrict immigration" is appalling. He's one of the beneficiaries of immigration into the UK from the former colonies, now he wants to kick away the ladder to stop others coming and benefiting in the same way that he has.Douglas Carswell

Despite his propensity for expenses scamming (flipping his second home, getting the taxpayer to pay for all manner of expensive furniture and subsidise his food bills) and his climate change denialism, Charterhouse educated Douglas Carswell was a darling of the Tory party, attracting glowing praise from the Telegraph, the Spectator and the Tory blogger Guido Fawkes. Despite all of the praise, Carswell's main political achievement within the Tory party seems to have been the ridiculous campaign to politicise the police by introducing elected PCCs, a policy which resulted in the lowest electoral turnouts since universal suffrage!

In August 2014 Carswell defected to UKIP claiming that David Cameron was not doing enough to deliver change.
Mark Reckless

Of all of the new crop of Tory MPs in 2010 Mark Reckless was one of the least notable. In fact, hardly anyone had even heard of him until he decided to follow Douglas Carswell's lead and defect to UKIP. His decision to announce his defection at the UKIP conference, and just a couple of days before the Tory party conference seemed premeditated to create the maximum possible publicity.

Before he defected to UKIP a few of the only notable things he did were joining five other Tories to vote against the tripling of "aspiration taxes" for university students, excusing the fact that he missed a parliamentary vote by claiming that he was too drunk and laying into Douglas Carswell for defecting to UKIP!

David Silvester


The eleven other people mentioned in this article have all defected from the Tory party and achieved important positions within UKIP (party leader, deputy chairman, MEP, party treasurer, candidate MPs ...) however it is important not to forget the dozens and dozens of Tory party councilors to have defected to UKIP too.

Until 2013 David Silvester was a Tory councilor in Henley-on-Thames, but then he decided to defect to UKIP. He hit the headlines in 2014 when he decided to blame the Somerset Floods on the introduction of gay equality legislation (in my view one of the very few decent things the Tory led government has actually done).

UKIP initially tried to defend Silvester's absurd comments by saying they were just his own personal opinion, however Nigel Farage went on to say that it was "incredibly damaging" when "defectors" from the Conservative Party join Ukip and say "appalling and outrageous things". If Farage is really so concerned about defectors from the Tory party damaging the reputation of his party, one has to wonder why he continues to allow extremists from the far-right fringe of the Tory party to flood into his party through the door that he is holding open for them?

Conclusion

If UKIP is 90% bankrolled by former Tory donors and is full of ex-Tory politicians and activists, what grounds does anyone have to suspect that they're not just a Tory splinter group?

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I take two things for the above Gusset.

The first is that it has just dawned on me what your 'politics' is based on. It's not a genuine desire to create equality, it is a hatred of those who have achieved success. You are jealous of others success and hate it and therefore your response is to peddle Luddite left wing politics that call for the smashing of society.

The second thing I take, is that how can you criticise UKIP politicans for bein out of touch with the 'common man', when left wing politicians are as equally, if not more, removed from the trials and tribulations of everyday folk. How common is Milit***? What about the long history of privileged lefties from Tony Benn (someone I actually admire, a bit, as a politician) through to the likes of Chris Huhne, who all espouse lefty ideals when knowing they have had lovely, priveleged backgrounds and lifestyles? What about all those General Secretaries of Trade Unions that have been earning £100,000 plus for years, how in are they with the average chap on the street? What about all the academic revolutionaries, living a cosy intellectual lifestyle, espousing revolution whilst living safely in the PHD environment of higher education? They've never got their hands dirty in their lives let alone know what the man in the pub thinks.

The fact is Gusset, and the polls show it, UKIP is resonating with the average chap in the street, whereas 'credible' TUSC are nowhere to be seen. Why could at be?

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2014 5.57pm

One can only admire Fidel_Himself's revolutionary zeal and find the naive intransigence that goes along with it somewhat endearing.

Power to the peeeople!


Patronising name calling has become your only method of attack lately.

What's up Kermit?

 


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I take two things for the above Gusset.

The first is that it has just dawned on me what your 'politics' is based on. It's not a genuine desire to create equality, it is a hatred of those who have achieved success. You are jealous of others success and hate it and therefore your response is to peddle Luddite left wing politics that call for the smashing of society.


You couldn't be further from the truth

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The second thing I take, is that how can you criticise UKIP politicans for bein out of touch with the 'common man', when left wing politicians are as equally, if not more, removed from the trials and tribulations of everyday folk. How common is Milit***? What about the long history of privileged lefties from Tony Benn (someone I actually admire, a bit, as a politician) through to the likes of Chris Huhne, who all espouse lefty ideals when knowing they have had lovely, priveleged backgrounds and lifestyles? What about all those General Secretaries of Trade Unions that have been earning £100,000 plus for years, how in are they with the average chap on the street? What about all the academic revolutionaries, living a cosy intellectual lifestyle, espousing revolution whilst living safely in the PHD environment of higher education? They've never got their hands dirty in their lives let alone know what the man in the pub thinks.

The fact is Gusset, and the polls show it, UKIP is resonating with the average chap in the street, whereas 'credible' TUSC are nowhere to be seen. Why could at be?

There are only about 3 or 4 Labour mp's I have time for. As you rightly say nearly all mp's are out of touch. UKIP have based their 'bloke down the pub persona' on representing ordinary people and being different. What I have posted clearly shows they are not.

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