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W12 04 Jan 19 9.27pm
I’m certainly not a fan of all her politics but this is a great, great speech summing up where we are at with Brexit: [Link]
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W12 04 Jan 19 9.27pm

I’m certainly not a fan of all her politics but this is a great, great speech summing up where we are at with Brexit:

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Pussay Patrol 06 Jan 19 10.13am
Amazed but not surprised a Tory MP for more than 30 years and now a Sir believes we will have a big economic boost by leaving with no deal and simply reneging on our financial obligations [Link] We will suffer years of hardship because of the ignorance of buffoons like Redwood Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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06 Jan 19 10.13am

Amazed but not surprised a Tory MP for more than 30 years and now a Sir believes we will have a big economic boost by leaving with no deal and simply reneging on our financial obligations

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We will suffer years of hardship because of the ignorance of buffoons like Redwood

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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steeleye20 Croydon 06 Jan 19 11.05am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Amazed but not surprised a Tory MP for more than 30 years and now a Sir believes we will have a big economic boost by leaving with no deal and simply reneging on our financial obligations [Link] We will suffer years of hardship because of the ignorance of buffoons like Redwood 'Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards.' John Redwood, July 2016 No wonder he got a gong !!!!
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Croydon 06 Jan 19 11.05am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Amazed but not surprised a Tory MP for more than 30 years and now a Sir believes we will have a big economic boost by leaving with no deal and simply reneging on our financial obligations

[Link]

We will suffer years of hardship because of the ignorance of buffoons like Redwood

'Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards.' John Redwood, July 2016

No wonder he got a gong !!!!

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Midlands Eagle 06 Jan 19 1.14pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 'Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards.' John Redwood, July 2016 No wonder he got a gong !!!! It was true but we negotiated poorly allowing the EU to dictate almost everything when we should have been in the driving seat
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06 Jan 19 1.14pm

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Originally posted by steeleye20

'Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards.' John Redwood, July 2016

No wonder he got a gong !!!!

It was true but we negotiated poorly allowing the EU to dictate almost everything when we should have been in the driving seat

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steve1984 06 Jan 19 1.19pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle It was true but we negotiated poorly allowing the EU to dictate almost everything when we should have been in the driving seat Bigger entities dictate terms to smaller entities. I fail to see how we ever held most of the cards. I've done more negotiations than I care to remember. And in every case the larger business got preferential terms to the smaller one. When I was negotiating on behalf of a larger entity I could squeeze the smaller and when I was representing the smaller one I got squeezed. It's kind of a fundamental principle of capitalist economics. Those who refuse to acknowledge it are either deluded, devious or ignorant. Given Redwood's background in finance, he clearly has an interest in turning the UK into a low regulation, corporate tax haven. Not sure how that would benefit anyone other than him and his clients. But all that is irrelevant because the In / Out referendum was won by leave and we don't need a deal to leave. In fact any kind of deal involves some degree of back tracking on the referendum. Edited by steve1984 (06 Jan 2019 1.48pm)
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steve1984 06 Jan 19 1.19pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It was true but we negotiated poorly allowing the EU to dictate almost everything when we should have been in the driving seat

Bigger entities dictate terms to smaller entities. I fail to see how we ever held most of the cards.

I've done more negotiations than I care to remember. And in every case the larger business got preferential terms to the smaller one. When I was negotiating on behalf of a larger entity I could squeeze the smaller and when I was representing the smaller one I got squeezed.

It's kind of a fundamental principle of capitalist economics. Those who refuse to acknowledge it are either deluded, devious or ignorant.

Given Redwood's background in finance, he clearly has an interest in turning the UK into a low regulation, corporate tax haven. Not sure how that would benefit anyone other than him and his clients.

But all that is irrelevant because the In / Out referendum was won by leave and we don't need a deal to leave. In fact any kind of deal involves some degree of back tracking on the referendum.

Edited by steve1984 (06 Jan 2019 1.48pm)

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steve1984 06 Jan 19 1.39pm
I think this article says all that needs to be said regarding John Redwood's interests. In an op-ed in the Financial Times, the Chief Global Strategist for Charles Stanley, John Redwood, advises investors to remove their money from the United Kingdom. “Time to look further afield as the UK economy hits the brakes”, says his headline. No idea why he isn't pilloried to the same extent as Soros for example? Unlike Soros I can find no reference to any philanthropy on the part of the tory MP. [Link] Edited by steve1984 (06 Jan 2019 1.39pm)
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steve1984 06 Jan 19 1.39pm

I think this article says all that needs to be said regarding John Redwood's interests.

In an op-ed in the Financial Times, the Chief Global Strategist for Charles Stanley, John Redwood, advises investors to remove their money from the United Kingdom. “Time to look further afield as the UK economy hits the brakes”, says his headline.

No idea why he isn't pilloried to the same extent as Soros for example? Unlike Soros I can find no reference to any philanthropy on the part of the tory MP.

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Midlands Eagle 06 Jan 19 2.44pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Bigger entities dictate terms to smaller entities. I fail to see how we ever held most of the cards. Not so. It's done on the basis of who needs who the most and EU needed us, our contribution and our market for imports more than we needed them
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Midlands Eagle

06 Jan 19 2.44pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Bigger entities dictate terms to smaller entities. I fail to see how we ever held most of the cards.

Not so. It's done on the basis of who needs who the most and EU needed us, our contribution and our market for imports more than we needed them

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Pussay Patrol 06 Jan 19 2.53pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Bigger entities dictate terms to smaller entities. I fail to see how we ever held most of the cards. I've done more negotiations than I care to remember. And in every case the larger business got preferential terms to the smaller one. When I was negotiating on behalf of a larger entity I could squeeze the smaller and when I was representing the smaller one I got squeezed. It's kind of a fundamental principle of capitalist economics. Those who refuse to acknowledge it are either deluded, devious or ignorant. Given Redwood's background in finance, he clearly has an interest in turning the UK into a low regulation, corporate tax haven. Not sure how that would benefit anyone other than him and his clients. But all that is irrelevant because the In / Out referendum was won by leave and we don't need a deal to leave. In fact any kind of deal involves some degree of back tracking on the referendum. Edited by steve1984 (06 Jan 2019 1.48pm) Yes Redwood is the epitome of the self interested Tory, just been knighted through Tory Cronyism, people who would be insulated from the impending economic hardship and probably contributing to it with their fingers in hedge funds and shorting schemes. Their project of getting enough public scepticism for EU withdrawal has worked and now they can look forward to what's at the bottom of the fruit machine for them come 30th March Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

06 Jan 19 2.53pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Bigger entities dictate terms to smaller entities. I fail to see how we ever held most of the cards.

It's kind of a fundamental principle of capitalist economics. Those who refuse to acknowledge it are either deluded, devious or ignorant.

Given Redwood's background in finance, he clearly has an interest in turning the UK into a low regulation, corporate tax haven. Not sure how that would benefit anyone other than him and his clients.

But all that is irrelevant because the In / Out referendum was won by leave and we don't need a deal to leave. In fact any kind of deal involves some degree of back tracking on the referendum.

Edited by steve1984 (06 Jan 2019 1.48pm)

Yes Redwood is the epitome of the self interested Tory, just been knighted through Tory Cronyism, people who would be insulated from the impending economic hardship and probably contributing to it with their fingers in hedge funds and shorting schemes. Their project of getting enough public scepticism for EU withdrawal has worked and now they can look forward to what's at the bottom of the fruit machine for them come 30th March

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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steve1984 06 Jan 19 5.04pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Not so. It's done on the basis of who needs who the most and EU needed us, our contribution and our market for imports more than we needed them There seems to be a contradiction at the heart of what you just said Midland. You're saying I'm wrong, that the results will have nothing to do with the relative size of the two entities involved. But then you immediately say that because of the scale of our imports from the EU and the size of our contribution to their budget that actually they need us more. I'm a bit confused. Is the size of the entities negotiating the most important factor in determining the result of the negotiation or isn't it?
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steve1984 06 Jan 19 5.04pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Not so. It's done on the basis of who needs who the most and EU needed us, our contribution and our market for imports more than we needed them

There seems to be a contradiction at the heart of what you just said Midland.

You're saying I'm wrong, that the results will have nothing to do with the relative size of the two entities involved.

But then you immediately say that because of the scale of our imports from the EU and the size of our contribution to their budget that actually they need us more.

I'm a bit confused. Is the size of the entities negotiating the most important factor in determining the result of the negotiation or isn't it?

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Jan 19 7.48pm
Originally posted by steve1984 There seems to be a contradiction at the heart of what you just said Midland. You're saying I'm wrong, that the results will have nothing to do with the relative size of the two entities involved. But then you immediately say that because of the scale of our imports from the EU and the size of our contribution to their budget that actually they need us more. I'm a bit confused. Is the size of the entities negotiating the most important factor in determining the result of the negotiation or isn't it? In principle then you were right. However, you said Redwood was wrong and others wrong about the UK's position - as the UK is smaller than the rest of the EU. The UK imports more from the EU than it exports and contributes more than it gets back. In specifics you were wrong. What you are actually seeing is outright EU dislike of the UK. The UK fails to dance to German marches whilst the French enjoys its pocket money from mummy Merkel. Shame that our politicians were far too dumb to negotiate properly. I would have loved to have said -'we are leaving and wondered if we should come to a deal that still allows you to sell cars in our country? If not we were thinking of doing a deal with someone more reasonable.' Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Jan 19 7.48pm

Originally posted by steve1984

There seems to be a contradiction at the heart of what you just said Midland.

You're saying I'm wrong, that the results will have nothing to do with the relative size of the two entities involved.

But then you immediately say that because of the scale of our imports from the EU and the size of our contribution to their budget that actually they need us more.

I'm a bit confused. Is the size of the entities negotiating the most important factor in determining the result of the negotiation or isn't it?

In principle then you were right. However, you said Redwood was wrong and others wrong about the UK's position - as the UK is smaller than the rest of the EU. The UK imports more from the EU than it exports and contributes more than it gets back. In specifics you were wrong.
What you are actually seeing is outright EU dislike of the UK. The UK fails to dance to German marches whilst the French enjoys its pocket money from mummy Merkel. Shame that our politicians were far too dumb to negotiate properly. I would have loved to have said -'we are leaving and wondered if we should come to a deal that still allows you to sell cars in our country? If not we were thinking of doing a deal with someone more reasonable.'

Red and Blue Army!

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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 06 Jan 19 7.57pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC In principle then you were right. However, you said Redwood was wrong and others wrong about the UK's position - as the UK is smaller than the rest of the EU. The UK imports more from the EU than it exports and contributes more than it gets back. In specifics you were wrong. What you are actually seeing is outright EU dislike of the UK. The UK fails to dance to German marches whilst the French enjoys its pocket money from mummy Merkel. Shame that our politicians were far too dumb to negotiate properly. I would have loved to have said -'we are leaving and wondered if we should come to a deal that still allows you to sell cars in our country? If not we were thinking of doing a deal with someone more reasonable.' They should have out a right wing brexiteer in charge of the negotiations - someone like David Davis Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978
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born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 06 Jan 19 7.57pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

In principle then you were right. However, you said Redwood was wrong and others wrong about the UK's position - as the UK is smaller than the rest of the EU. The UK imports more from the EU than it exports and contributes more than it gets back. In specifics you were wrong.
What you are actually seeing is outright EU dislike of the UK. The UK fails to dance to German marches whilst the French enjoys its pocket money from mummy Merkel. Shame that our politicians were far too dumb to negotiate properly. I would have loved to have said -'we are leaving and wondered if we should come to a deal that still allows you to sell cars in our country? If not we were thinking of doing a deal with someone more reasonable.'

They should have out a right wing brexiteer in charge of the negotiations - someone like David Davis

Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978

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.TUX. 06 Jan 19 8.16pm
The EU is broke. Period. 2yrs wasted with a prick at the helm intent on holding on to an agenda continually driven by those who have happily gained from the people that it's happily robbed .........for how many years now? European Central Banking 'QE' amounts to around 7,600euros per person. If you've yet to receive your cheque then you've been robbed. Buy Litecoin.
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.TUX.

06 Jan 19 8.16pm

The EU is broke. Period.

2yrs wasted with a prick at the helm intent on holding on to an agenda continually driven by those who have happily gained from the people that it's happily robbed .........for how many years now?

European Central Banking 'QE' amounts to around 7,600euros per person. If you've yet to receive your cheque then you've been robbed.

Buy Litecoin.

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