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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 02 Feb 24 10.49pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

October 7th was a terrorist attack. The 3 months of massacring 26,000 civilians and displacement of millions more is the genocide.

It has nothing to do with ‘the left’, and it’s very telling you frame your argument in this way - the ICJ have ruled there is a plausible case that genocide is taking place, and anyone approaching this with a shred of honesty can see what it is.

It’s also like the word ‘anti-semitic’ being thrown around by people more desperate to point score on a football forum than be honest.

I think your entire position is morally and intellectually bankrupt.

This is the politics section of the forum and sadly there are a few here that are anti semitic in the Corbyn tradition.

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 02 Feb 24 11.03pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I can't believe civilised people support their morally bankrupt politicians over Gaza, do they think we are blind to the suffering of innocent Palestinian mothers and children?

Seeing this every night is sickening.

The two-state solution would be generous to Israel, they should be forced back to their original borders and made to pay for the damage they have wreaked, and also for their own security arrangements.



Hamas simply has to stop fighting, surrender all combatants , give up all weapons , return whatever hostages are still alive and accept the right of Israel to exist.

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 03 Feb 24 5.57am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

There is very little coverage of a war. I see the IDF moving around destroyed civilian areas. Injured/homeless/starving civilians.

Where is this war being conducted ? I see no parades of captured/killed Hamas fighters. No daily updates to the press of how the war is going.

Just photographs of smashed civilian areas.

Maybe I'm just old-fashioned in the ways wars used to be conducted.

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 03 Feb 24 6.15am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Indeed, in the early days there was plenty of detail, now as you say not much coverage

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 03 Feb 24 8.10am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

There is very little coverage of a war. I see the IDF moving around destroyed civilian areas. Injured/homeless/starving civilians.

Where is this war being conducted ? I see no parades of captured/killed Hamas fighters. No daily updates to the press of how the war is going.

Just photographs of smashed civilian areas.

Maybe I'm just old-fashioned in the ways wars used to be conducted.

Hamas conducted their war on oct 7th. Raping.murdering and taking hostages; In their opinion that’s war.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 03 Feb 24 9.47am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Hamas simply has to stop fighting, surrender all combatants , give up all weapons , return whatever hostages are still alive and accept the right of Israel to exist.

And then what?

You may wish to review the recent history of the West Bank before answering.

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 03 Feb 24 9.55am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Hamas conducted their war on oct 7th. Raping.murdering and taking hostages; In their opinion that’s war.

You may care to investigate the situation between Israel and Palestine for the preceding decades. Particularly the expanding borders of Israel into Palestinian land, where new Israeli settlers were armed with American military weapons and equipment and a licence to kill (Palestinians) without fear of prosecution.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 Feb 24 10.04am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

And then what?

You may wish to review the recent history of the West Bank before answering.

You want to look at only recent history?

Maybe you should look a little further back and see why the victims of centuries of oppression and murder have become the aggressors.

I don't condone their actions, but I do understand them.

It makes me more certain that fighting to keep our country secular is vital, and that allowing religious loons into this country was the biggest mistake we might have ever made.

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 03 Feb 24 10.05am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

And then what?

You may wish to review the recent history of the West Bank before answering.

And then Israel will have no reason to attack Gaza.

The West Bank is not Gaza. not even close.

At some point people have to start looking forward for solutions not in the past for reasons.

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Edited by HKOwen (03 Feb 2024 10.06am)

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 04 Feb 24 5.40am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

So the US was hitting proxy-Iranian targets in order to protect it's shipping from Houthis. Now hitting targets in Syria and Iraq, Iran is now making threats.
I can see this regional conflict quickly ramping, with potential US and UK (military and Government) targets all over the world.

It's going to be a nervy few months to see if this can be contained.
And then you throw in the continuing Israeli slaughter of civilians, and the Houthis might escalate anyway.

All to play for. And all to lose

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Matov Flag 04 Feb 24 7.28am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

And then Israel will have no reason to attack Gaza.


Edited by HKOwen (03 Feb 2024 10.06am)

Edited by HKOwen (03 Feb 2024 10.06am)

But will people in Gaza have reason to attack Israel?

Over 2 million people crammed into a space 1/6 the size of London. With no ability to come and go as they wish. With their access to utilities controlled by other countries. And now having seen 10,000s of their friends and families killed.

There is no peace deal possible. There never was. Which is the entire point. Israel has embarked on a policy of ethnic cleansing. Now I believe the entire October 7th terrorist attack (and that is what it was, I make no excuses) was entirely orchestrated by elements in the Israel for an excuse to do what they are currently doing to Gaza. With Hammas needing little encouragement.

Back in July 2005, the scum who bombed the transport in system arrived at Luton railway station and left their car there. They hated the UK but they had a choice to leave. All British passport holders and with a myriad of opportunities to take off and live somewhere else. They chose not.

The people who attacked Israel on October 7th did not have those options to just leave.

Again, no excusing what they did on October 7th. But merely trying to put it into context in terms of the wider conditions that created it.

The terrorists were scum on October 7th. Zero doubts. But I have seen enough evidence of the IDF blowing up peoples homes and destroying infastructure in Gaza for me to conclude they are also scum.

f*** Hamas. f*** Israel. And not one European life for either.


 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 04 Feb 24 7.48am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

But will people in Gaza have reason to attack Israel?

Over 2 million people crammed into a space 1/6 the size of London. With no ability to come and go as they wish. With their access to utilities controlled by other countries. And now having seen 10,000s of their friends and families killed.

There is no peace deal possible. There never was. Which is the entire point. Israel has embarked on a policy of ethnic cleansing. Now I believe the entire October 7th terrorist attack (and that is what it was, I make no excuses) was entirely orchestrated by elements in the Israel for an excuse to do what they are currently doing to Gaza. With Hammas needing little encouragement.

Back in July 2005, the scum who bombed the transport in system arrived at Luton railway station and left their car there. They hated the UK but they had a choice to leave. All British passport holders and with a myriad of opportunities to take off and live somewhere else. They chose not.

The people who attacked Israel on October 7th did not have those options to just leave.

Again, no excusing what they did on October 7th. But merely trying to put it into context in terms of the wider conditions that created it.

The terrorists were scum on October 7th. Zero doubts. But I have seen enough evidence of the IDF blowing up peoples homes and destroying infastructure in Gaza for me to conclude they are also scum.

f*** Hamas. f*** Israel. And not one European life for either.



The arguement is innocent Palestinians being punished for Hamas, therefore, no Hamas, no attacks.

Suppose Israel declares Gaza Hamas free and it's a fresh start. If then Palestinians in Gaza continue with attacks on Israel then it's back to square one.

What elements in Israel do you believe orchestrated the attack on October 7th?

 


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