Blame Blair.

Revealed: The REAL reason Labour deliberately threw open doors to mass migration in a secret plot to remake a multicultural UK [Link]

Not that I’ve seen. All the DNA evidence I have read about suggests that Homo sapiens evolved in Africa and everything found elsewhere is an offshoot of it in some way.

I am not playing dumb. You are being dumb. No one disputes that the numbers have changed and will likely continue to change. What you fail to recognise is that the resulting people will also change. They will intermarry and absorb cultures. Unless people like you try to stop it by being unwelcoming and make people turn inwards to find shelter in their original culture.

For sure we need to do more and must rigorously promote British culture and insist all new arrivals are exposed to it and are expected to sign up to it. Choose to live here and that’s the deal. No arguments. Sign here.

The idea that a multi cultural society in which many different values could exist side by side equally was always a non starter. British culture needs to dominate in Britain, whilst respect for others can be shown.

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Are you serious?

A 13 year old hatchet job of misleading claims by the Mail intended to discredit Labour and wind up its readers?

This was a discussion document, not official policy. Many of these are written, often in controversial ways, to test hypotheses. No doubt it was done to garner information on reactions to some ideas.

I’m not surprised that large chunks were removed. They were almost certainly never intended to be taken seriously let alone published as policy.

That this appeared in the Mail and was the result of a FOI enquiry by a right wing think tank fishing for dirt ought to tell you all you need to know.

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He just ignores everything contrary to what he wants to believe....He had to be told about the debate on this because as expected he didn't know....but it's pointless because he can't get over himself.

Like Owen and all of us know, if we take the charitable view, he's just a troll just looking for negative attention....Weird but they exist.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Sep 2023 4.47am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I've made the point before but it's a highly relevant point in terms of what social liberalism has done to the Tory party.

The only reason we are seeing strong words on immigration, both legal and illegal from ethnic Tories like Braverman and Badenoch is precisely because Cameron blocked (just as Starmer is now doing to the left in the Labour party) any social conservatives or indeed any non liberal Tories from MP selection.....Which of course has alienated the MP base from much of its grass roots support base.

The only reason that traditional Tories like Braverman and Badenoch weren't blocked from selection was due to the 'positive selection' that Cameron also brought in that meant being not white meant you were advantaged. Otherwise he would have never allowed them through to selection.

It illustrates how democracy is nothing to do with giving people what they actually want but instead giving them only the options that the elite class allow.....which is usually sh1t sandwich option one or sh1t sandwich option two.

Similar to having to choose between controlled nursery home options in the US.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Sep 2023 7.53am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hardly!

The previous one didn’t and they only get mentioned when they are relevant. As many posters here are avid consumers of them they do get pointed out, as it seems many are unaware they are basing their reasoning on them.

I won’t disappoint you though.

Was the Mail circulating a conspiracy theory in their piece or just exploiting one devised by a right wing think tank?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.