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Pussay Patrol  02 Jan 19 9.02am |
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Originally posted by becky
I suppose those less well versed in international economics than your goodself will see the gains as being firstly the massive financial contribution that we pay to the EU, not forgetting how year on year this massively increases because, as a major contributor to the general EU 'pot', we are also expected to pay on top of this towards all the bail outs to the 'crisis' countries pro rata (and I don't mean the IMF funds). Then there is the supposed benefit of being able to trade freely with the Commonwealth group of countries again - a bigger trading area now, I believe, than the EU itself. Given the traditional ties and loyalties there, it appears a good substitute Whether any of it will be better or worse, who knows, but with so many EU countries hovering on the brink of collapse and the EU lining up yet more countries to expand their empire which will be 'takers' rather than 'givers' to the EU coffers, maybe they thought it was just worth the try. Good reasoning and well done for having a stab at weighing up the economic advantages and disadvantages which most brexiters conveniently avoid All I would say is your logic would fit IF we handled Brexit well with a seamless transition, new trade deals were in place and we could see our new path ahead. But we don't, there's nothing and now we are in January it looks likely a no deal Brexit will happen which means complete uncertainty, a massive economic hit and the UK will be a rudderless ship which could take many years to put right. That's not worth it in my book
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 Badger11  Beckenham 02 Jan 19 9.26am |
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"Helped by the media of course. This has already started with Jaguar Land Rover announcing likely job cuts due to the unwillingness of the great British public to buy diesel cars but that bit was hidden in the footnotes with Brexit taking most of the blame despite the fact that no Brexit decision has been reached yet" Midland.
Petrol - Expensive to run and not green Other reasons were US/China trade war, slowdown in growth in China and Brexit too name but a few. Not a good time to be a car manufacturer. Edited by Badger11 (02 Jan 2019 9.27am)
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 02 Jan 19 9.51am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So you want to be worse off? Where did I say that? You just make things up all the time.... I said people want to be governed by rules we make ourselves (as the UK) not by some drunk unelected beaurocrats...one size fits all rules do not work over the differing cultures in Europe
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| Pussay Patrol 02 Jan 19 10.09am |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Where did I say that? You just make things up all the time.... I said people all want to be governed by rules we make ourselves (as the UK) not by some drunk unelected beaurocrats...one size fits rules do not work over the differing cultures in Europe What for? How do we benefit from that?
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| Midlands Eagle 02 Jan 19 10.18am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Millions of British people died last century in two world wars that were fought to avoid being dominated by other countries. Why do you find the concept of self determination so difficult to understand?
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| Pussay Patrol 02 Jan 19 10.53am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Millions of British people died last century in two world wars that were fought to avoid being dominated by other countries. Why do you find the concept of self determination so difficult to understand? I'm not disagreeing just wanted to know the advantages or benefits from leaving the EU to one of self governance? To play devil's advocate I will say I think being in the EU is better, I would rather be part of that union and abide by the rules agreed there. I think our political system is archaic and outdated and doesn't work for the people Prove me wrong, show me how self governance will be be better?
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| Midlands Eagle 02 Jan 19 11.23am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Our political system may be archaic but unlike the governments of many of the EU states - sorry I mean countries, it works well and we have governments that can actually govern without the necessity of general elections every five minutes
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| Pussay Patrol 02 Jan 19 11.49am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Our political system may be archaic but unlike the governments of many of the EU states - sorry I mean countries, it works well and we have governments that can actually govern without the necessity of general elections every five minutes I don't agree. More people voted ukip than SNP in the last election yet Ukip only get 1 seat v 26 for SNP. Most top UK politicians don't act in the interest of the people they serve because they sit in safe seat constituencies and only serve their own political ambition, politicians such as Boris Johnson who for example opposes a 3rd runway at Heathrow but then gives the go ahead when in high office. People believe you can vote them out when you can't. Then you have a bloated house of politicians who are generally public school educated buffoons with no concept of living in the outside world highlighted by the totally inept handling of Brexit, 2 sides of parliament who just play party politics based on a non exsistant class system, a political system to benefit politicians themselves or misguided fools who believe we have real democracy
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 02 Jan 19 12.42pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
What for? How do we benefit from that? See Midland Eagle reply below!!
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 becky over the moon 02 Jan 19 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
What for? How do we benefit from that? Possibly not from the rules that we make ourselves, but more from those that we don't make; an example would be the stupid rulings on fruit and vegetables - does anyone actually care how bendy a cucumber or banana is? Same with potatoes and most other comestibles, the shape is totally irrelevant to it's taste and suitability for human consumption . Those rules that directly relate to the health and safety of the consumer are fine. Just an example, but I'm sure there are many other areas where we are being straightjacketed for no discernibly good reason!
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 02 Jan 19 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Good reasoning and well done for having a stab at weighing up the economic advantages and disadvantages which most brexiters conveniently avoid All I would say is your logic would fit IF we handled Brexit well with a seamless transition, new trade deals were in place and we could see our new path ahead. But we don't, there's nothing and now we are in January it looks likely a no deal Brexit will happen which means complete uncertainty, a massive economic hit and the UK will be a rudderless ship which could take many years to put right. That's not worth it in my book They can't be in place until we've left. In probably one of the better bits of name-dropping ever seen on HOL, I asked Stephen Harper (ex-Canadian PM that set up the various trade agreements that Canada have with the EU and others) in September about how he viewed Brexit and his reply was that Canada "would be first in the queue" for a deal when we left the EU. I don't think it's as difficult as it's being made out to be. We can't do it right now though.
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| Pussay Patrol 02 Jan 19 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Possibly not from the rules that we make ourselves, but more from those that we don't make; an example would be the stupid rulings on fruit and vegetables - does anyone actually care how bendy a cucumber or banana is? Same with potatoes and most other comestibles, the shape is totally irrelevant to it's taste and suitability for human consumption . Those rules that directly relate to the health and safety of the consumer are fine. Just an example, but I'm sure there are many other areas where we are being straightjacketed for no discernibly good reason! Why would they impose something for no good reason? That doesn't make sense
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