We can certainly agree on that.

So you don't view Oct 7th as any kind of genocidal act or a manifestation of Hamas' stated objectives.

The death toll is horrible, however, the left throw around the word genocide as if it makes the situation more serious, whatever semantics you use it couldn't be more serious.

It's like the use of the word fascist being thrown around to anyone right of centre.

Have you contacted your MP to ask them to publicly announce their support for a ceasefire?

Have you considered that Hamas could effect a ceasefire tomorrow if they chose to but they would rather make the innocent of Gaza suffer.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

So you don't agree that the fighting in Gaza could stop immediately if Hamas so chose.

Your view of Oct 7th is interesting, 1200 dead caused by a group committed to destroying a state ( genocide ) is a terrorist attack. Not a massacre?

The resulting action by Israel is genocide, is that due to numbers of casualties that you define one as a terrorist attack and one as a genocide?

I repeat, Hamas caused this and are in a position to stop it but they choose not to.

Hamas simply has to stop fighting, surrender all combatants , give up all weapons , return whatever hostages are still alive and accept the right of Israel to exist.

This would of course be unacceptable to their Iranian paymasters.

That would force Israel to stop military action and the rebuilding of Gaza free of Hamas could start.

Would also put enormous pressure on Israel to accept a two state solution.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

This is not a good look for Western governments. People in the know are breaking rank.
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"More than 800 serving officials in the US and Europe have signed a statement warning that their own governments' policies on the Israel-Gaza war could amount to "grave violations of international law".

The "transatlantic statement", a copy of which was passed to the BBC, says their administrations risk being complicit in "one of the worst human catastrophes of this century" but that their expert advice has been sidelined.

It is the latest sign of significant levels of dissent within the governments of some of Israel's key Western allies." (BBC website)

I disengage, I turn the page.

I can't believe civilised people support their morally bankrupt politicians over Gaza, do they think we are blind to the suffering of innocent Palestinian mothers and children?

Seeing this every night is sickening.

The two-state solution would be generous to Israel, they should be forced back to their original borders and made to pay for the damage they have wreaked, and also for their own security arrangements.

I’d advise not watching it every night and you won’t be sickened.
Also this is Israel making its own security arrangements.

Edited by cryrst (02 Feb 2024 9.03pm)