All throughout this war, what Russia says one day is disproved the next. Right now to denying that they intended to go to war (then doing so the next day), to yesterday denying that an attack on Ukraine has even happened, and calling those injured in a bombed maternity ward 'crisis actors'.

Starting a couple of weeks back Russia ramped up all kind of Chemical weapons angles, that they would brazenly state on even their official accounts, including that Ukrainians were stockpiling massive amounts of Ammonia to use as a chemical attack on themselves, that the United States is training birds to migrate from Ukraine to Russia and distribute bacteriological weapons, that that the US is using a bio warefare nerve/covid/ethnicity production facility in order to stage an attack.

The narrative is set to throw everything at this angle and see what sticks (possibly before committing atrocities using chemical weapons in the typical pattern follows).

All of these narratives are propaganda, and inadvertently you are helping to push them at a time where clearly that won't help. The bio labs one has been picked up by the likes of Chinese Assistant Minister for Foreign Affairs, and of course Tucker Carlson (as a tool to attack the current president which yeah, how useful during a situation like this.). If you're going to accuse people of being 'hysterical' in what they take in, and that the mainstream is always BS, and to be 'desperate for peace', you might not want to factor those in with stuff like this as it's certainly no different. Tucker Carlson is 'mainstream', he just plays to the emotional and political biases on a different crowd. Helping to give momentum to Russia propaganda implying a nefarious angle on chemical weapons is hardly the peace or reality take, nor is it sensible when war has been waged to go hook, line and sinker with this anti US angle as if out of everything its some pivotal finding and aspect of the moment at hand.

In truth, these bio labs are not in the least bit 'secret' or some shocking revelation even if those leaning into it wish to paint it as such. Officials talked openly about the labs *during the Trump administration,* noting the US is working with Ukraine to clean these Soviet relics up. Obama even toured these sites and covered them in a speech. In 2005 Republican senators worked to improve security at the facilities. There are bio labs in the majority of countries, often with support from other countries and by their nature they contain the kind of materials that people seem shocked about when it's convenient. It's just another example of how the US is so politically divided that people are more than happy to thumb the eye of their own countrymen and act against their country, than care about essentially giving cover for potential Russian chemical attacks and further inflaming an already precarious situation.

" and I'm seeing the sudden commentary on chemical weapons very concerning"

Then don't buy into and spread what is propagated by Russian disinformation and those acting against their own country. It makes perfect sense for the Russian government to push this false 'biowarefare' idea from the US, when very clearly nothing of the sort has or would take place. When the West start doing their dirty work for them by pushing aspects of their messages, that's what we're in trouble.

Edited by BlueJay (11 Mar 2022 1.06pm)

I don't agree that you know what is correct information and what is misinformation.

I don't contend that I know what is. However, unlike you I'm willing to question what I'm fed.

Apparently you regard questioning the information from the state department and mainstream media....which is effectively the same thing as doing the enemy's work. Yet, I don't believe what Russia say either. I have a side, I just don't believe in Santa.

Where does your evidence come from on these biolabs?

Oh and I have zero problems with what Carlson says being questioned....that's kind of the point.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2022 1.30pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It wasn't one document! Didn't you actually go to the site and scroll down.

There are dozens of documents detailing the promises and assurances given.

Yes, they were pre-Putin, however I linked you to the speech Yelsin gave on Nato expansion....it reads like a prediction for today.

Putin was always bad news, however in terms of Nato he did not start off where he is today, that's well documented as well......the Putin you have now comes after failure and failure of state-craft and it wasn't until around 2004 that things really turned bad.....and that was over the Ukraine....again.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I wish some posters on here would grow up.

Again, the US fund and contribute towards bio labs in numerous countries. We know why they are there and what you class as 'lies', seems to be entirely counter to the fact that under the past three presidents the labs have been openly talked about and occasionally even visited by Presidents. How 'secret'.

Again, in the last two weeks there has been an enormous propaganda push by Russians and their useful idiots, to infer that the US or Ukrainians are gearing up for a bio weapons type attack on Ukrainians or others. Much of what they pushed was so absurd;y far fetched that's it's laughable, and regardless of whether some run with one aspect of it, its still clearly part of that same campaign.

The Russian gov has pushed so much that is clearly nonsense (including the idea that they have not invaded, and have not gone to war and that they are fighting 'neo nazis') that it's beyond disappointing to see people get drawn into a level of support for this stuff. As if out of everything and the horrors that are going on right now, whats's pivotal is to rehash what we already know about a biolab thats been known about for a decade+ . The only use of this angle is Russian cover for a chemical attack on civilians and so it's quite a grim thing to both buy into and give priority to.

They are setting the scene for it to be perceived in terms of an attack on their own people by Ukraine. That is the point of the tack they are taking. It's the timing of people suddenly believing this biolab stuff is vitally important 'now' that is especially telling. Whether you or others, their approach (which you've rather willing helped to support the first pillar of) will by nature of it lead to more people believing their propaganda in the event of a chemical attack by them on civilians. And that is unfortunate.

Let's remember with this biolab stuff, it came as part of this bundle of propoganda pushed over the past week:

"Claims that Ukrainians were stockpiling massive amounts of Ammonia to use as a chemical attack on themselves, that the United States is training birds to migrate from Ukraine to Russia and distribute bacteriological weapons, that that the US is using a bio warefare nerve/covid/ethnicity production facility in order to stage an attack."

Consider why this is their sudden angle, and how it diminishes any aspect as being a genuine concern. There lies a rational conclusion.

Edited by BlueJay (11 Mar 2022 2.55pm)