you could be right stirling, but talks a lot of sense to, not the joke the press like to portray him as, and like i said, i dont dislike every conservative just cos theyre a tory, nor back every labour member just cos theyre labour, but the daily mail article was worrying, showing how corrupt the conservative government at the top were, im just putting it out there in case anyone missed it!

I think you love to lick the daily mails bottom matty every day, but then chose to ignore a whole page when you dont like what your reading, aka the truth, carry on taking your medication!

Were you pissed when you wrote that rambling nonsense?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

The irony of that statement is that the Über story was initially in the Daily Mail

You sound like that kind of person I can debate with, an independent person not too attached to ideology. I may disagree with you on policies and so on but we can have discussions on points of difference.

I think I tend to agree that the tories are always likely to have more corruption as they are the party with more elites and money in it....and those people tend to be more self interested. That said, they by no means are on their own with that one...but we are talking percentages.

Still, that's a separate argument from whether this or that policy is better for the country/world stroke worldview.

I think an argument can be made that the working class are better off with socially compassionate conservatives running the economy and country rather than an ideological progressive Labour party which wants to right every wrong within human nature and society....Are these Tories socially compassionate? We shall see.

I think Labour hit a lot of truth on at least some of the moral arguments (Defence and EU aside) but I tend to find their solutions would not only kills the disease but the patient as well.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 May 2017 8.45am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Thanks sterling, i agree with a lot of what you said. i just dont like the what ever the government do is right tories, and what ever anyone else says , including corbyn, is nuts! The uber thing was just an eye opener of just how corrupt these guys can be, on all sides, ive worked in the house of commons, and as you probably know, all the politicians are in the same job, all be it different parties, and all lunch together, drink together, laugh together, we shouldnt take it to seriously!