I don't know how we have managed to get back on this subject again when it has nothing to do with the thread. Wait a moment, yes, I do. The Font of all knowledge from the Fens decided to promote another of his routine diversions and misrepresentations, rather than stay on subject.

Of course, victims received apologies and damages for failures. If people fail, then compensation is due. Making people feel better via an apology is the kind thing to do, even when you know in your heart that the decisions taken at the time were well intended.

That we all learn through experience, or ought to, is obvious. We cannot though know what we don't know, or have not experienced.

If people failed through a lack of application or effort, then they deserve to be criticised. If they were incompetent, others do. However, if they just made decisions, which they truly believed were wise given the facts and knowledge at their disposal at the time, which have subsequently been seen to be wrong, they don't.

People here get very wound up when people of the past are judged by today's standards. It may surprise you to know I agree.

We ought not blame people who were slavers, when slavery was considered morally acceptable. Re-write their stories on their plinths, maybe, but pull them down. No.

This has some parallels.

So your figures about brexit bad are only written by remoaner journos.
How comes you state that news as fact ?

Did you know 20 years ago what you know now?

Can we be so sure those taking these decisions did?

Or are you imposing your anger and assumptions on them?

Do you have all the evidence, or only that which has been published?

I don’t pretend to have all the answers. I just have questions.

Ivermectin now officially classed as a cure.
Not a treatment, a cure.
No fanfare about this change of heart from our overlords.
I wonder why?

No, I don't have all the evidence but what we do have has been dismissed as media spin.
Since these were on-going investigations the authorities knew more than they did 20 years ago but were apparently still maintaining the idea of trying to improve "community relations".

Not dismissed. Put in its context.

My instinct is that the idea wasn’t to improve community relations as an objective in itself but as a vital tool to both find the offenders and reduce the crime rate.

Holding enquiries makes perfect sense to examine the success, or failure, of a strategy, learn and improve. They aren’t trials to apportion blame on those charged with having to make difficult decisions. Much as some might like.

I am not convinced this was an overall failure. The communities involved will have read the reports, realise they were being treated sensitively but that they have bad people hiding amongst them. I hope that this results not only in greater detection, but in greater cultural pressure within the communities to ensure their more extreme elements conform with our standards of behaviour.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (07 Sep 2022 2.24pm)