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steve1984 27 Dec 18 11.24pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Having less Irish immigration was never a difficult sell....before, during or after the IRA....it was the traditional cheap labour for the middle and elite class and competition for the working before wider options became more readily available. But it's quite interesting how much more economically successful Ireland has become in my lifetime.
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steve1984 27 Dec 18 11.24pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Having less Irish immigration was never a difficult sell....before, during or after the IRA....it was the traditional cheap labour for the middle and elite class and competition for the working before wider options became more readily available.

But it's quite interesting how much more economically successful Ireland has become in my lifetime.

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Stirlingsays 27 Dec 18 11.28pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Understood and of course you're right. But I prefer to simply ask, is this a good person? Nothing else really bothers me. "There doesn't seem to be any relationship whatsoever between intelligence and virtue" A quote that I guess you're familiar with.. [Link] There is no relationship between intelligence and virtue, that's a cast iron certainty.....but there is on the likelihood of crime. There is a relationship, on average, between intelligence and economic success, both individually and for groups. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2018 11.35pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Dec 18 11.28pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Understood and of course you're right.

But I prefer to simply ask, is this a good person?

Nothing else really bothers me.

"There doesn't seem to be any relationship whatsoever between intelligence and virtue"

A quote that I guess you're familiar with..

[Link]

There is no relationship between intelligence and virtue, that's a cast iron certainty.....but there is on the likelihood of crime.

There is a relationship, on average, between intelligence and economic success, both individually and for groups.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2018 11.35pm)

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steve1984 27 Dec 18 11.31pm
Indeed but what do you do with the 10% of people with an IQ of less than 83? If putting them on welfare isn't good then what's the solution? And is economic success by and for itself a virtue? Edited by steve1984 (27 Dec 2018 11.32pm)
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steve1984 27 Dec 18 11.31pm

Indeed but what do you do with the 10% of people with an IQ of less than 83?

If putting them on welfare isn't good then what's the solution?

And is economic success by and for itself a virtue?

Edited by steve1984 (27 Dec 2018 11.32pm)

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Stirlingsays 27 Dec 18 11.31pm
Originally posted by steve1984 But it's quite interesting how much more economically successful Ireland has become in my lifetime. Yes, if other nations keep giving you more money than you give them....it tends to pan out like that. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Dec 18 11.31pm

Originally posted by steve1984

But it's quite interesting how much more economically successful Ireland has become in my lifetime.

Yes, if other nations keep giving you more money than you give them....it tends to pan out like that.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 27 Dec 18 11.33pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Indeed but what do you do with the 10% of people with an IQ of less than 83? If putting them on welfare isn't good then what's the solution? I'd say they have to be on welfare.....However, you don't import them in as workers. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Dec 18 11.33pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Indeed but what do you do with the 10% of people with an IQ of less than 83?

If putting them on welfare isn't good then what's the solution?

I'd say they have to be on welfare.....However, you don't import them in as workers.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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steve1984 27 Dec 18 11.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yes, if other nations keep giving you more money than you give them....it tends to pan out like that. Coming from the east rather than the west, I would challenge that. What do you get if you pay peanuts? The classic response would be monkeys but in my experience the answer is thieves.
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steve1984 27 Dec 18 11.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yes, if other nations keep giving you more money than you give them....it tends to pan out like that.

Coming from the east rather than the west, I would challenge that.

What do you get if you pay peanuts?

The classic response would be monkeys but in my experience the answer is thieves.

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steve1984 27 Dec 18 11.35pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'd say they have to be on welfare.....However, you don't import them in as workers. Perhaps not but don't we have some holes that need to be dug?
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steve1984 27 Dec 18 11.35pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'd say they have to be on welfare.....However, you don't import them in as workers.

Perhaps not but don't we have some holes that need to be dug?

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Stirlingsays 27 Dec 18 11.38pm
Originally posted by steve1984 And is economic success by and for itself a virtue? Edited by steve1984 (27 Dec 2018 11.32pm) If you want to live in a society worth living in.....Yes....It's probably the most practical virtue. The most important practical thing you can do for your off spring is ensure that they have the option of some sort of trade. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2018 11.40pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Dec 18 11.38pm

Originally posted by steve1984

And is economic success by and for itself a virtue?

Edited by steve1984 (27 Dec 2018 11.32pm)

If you want to live in a society worth living in.....Yes....It's probably the most practical virtue.

The most important practical thing you can do for your off spring is ensure that they have the option of some sort of trade.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2018 11.40pm)

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Stirlingsays 27 Dec 18 11.40pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Perhaps not but don't we have some holes that need to be dug? I don't think by limiting the problems we bring in we would suffer from a shortage of hole diggers.....and there are plenty of intelligent people digging holes in construction anyway. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Dec 18 11.40pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Perhaps not but don't we have some holes that need to be dug?

I don't think by limiting the problems we bring in we would suffer from a shortage of hole diggers.....and there are plenty of intelligent people digging holes in construction anyway.

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steve1984 27 Dec 18 11.41pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays ....but there is on the likelihood of crime. yes but it only becomes a problem at the tail of the distribution. So it would be wrong to discriminate against the vast majority who sit somewhere in the middle.
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steve1984 27 Dec 18 11.41pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

....but there is on the likelihood of crime.

yes but it only becomes a problem at the tail of the distribution. So it would be wrong to discriminate against the vast majority who sit somewhere in the middle.

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steve1984 27 Dec 18 11.44pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't think by limiting the problems we bring in we would suffer from a shortage of hole diggers.....and there are plenty of intelligent people digging holes in construction anyway. My own experiences aren't born out by this statement. Based on my experience and surely yours we depend on bringing people in to dig spuds for example.
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steve1984 27 Dec 18 11.44pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't think by limiting the problems we bring in we would suffer from a shortage of hole diggers.....and there are plenty of intelligent people digging holes in construction anyway.

My own experiences aren't born out by this statement. Based on my experience and surely yours we depend on bringing people in to dig spuds for example.

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Stirlingsays 27 Dec 18 11.44pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Coming from the east rather than the west, I would challenge that. What do you get if you pay peanuts? The classic response would be monkeys but in my experience the answer is thieves. Sorting out a country's problems is intrinsically for that country.....not for the tax payers of other nations who were never asked. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2018 11.44pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Dec 18 11.44pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Coming from the east rather than the west, I would challenge that.

What do you get if you pay peanuts?

The classic response would be monkeys but in my experience the answer is thieves.

Sorting out a country's problems is intrinsically for that country.....not for the tax payers of other nations who were never asked.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2018 11.44pm)

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