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 Stirlingsays  09 Jul 24 11.05am |
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Comparing UKIP with Reform and thinking that like UKIP...Reform would suffer a collaspe in votes is....in my view...just unrealistic. UKIP were, right or wrongly, perceived as a one issue party. Once Brexit was achieved and once Farage left their brand could never recover. However, Reform is a wholly different animal as it's based upon the right of the Conservative party.....Social conservativism and various degrees of Thatcherism. While it exists why would a right winger ever vote for a woke, comfortable with immigration conservative party?....let's remember that all the woke stuff came in under them and all the highest immigration figures came in under them.....all while saying the opposite to their voters. With Farage leading it the right wing are just not going to stay voting for Conservatives smiling at the camera saying, 'diversity built Britain' (a bare faced lie).....I mean look at what the Centralists in the party are doing at the moment. They are literally attacking the right. Conservativism will split down two lines or they will merge. There will be no collapse while Farage holds court and the next leader of the Conservative party will decide upon its short term fate. Yes, five years is a long time but that's how I see it. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2024 11.12am)
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| Stirlingsays 09 Jul 24 1.17pm |
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Looking at Sunak's shadow cabinet it's like he'd learned nothing. It's pure centralism. There's No Suella, no Jenrick...even no place for big bum Pritti.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jul 24 1.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Looking at Sunak's shadow cabinet it's like he'd learned nothing. It's pure centralism. There's No Suella, no Jenrick...even no place for big bum Pritti. Merely an 'Interim' Shadow Cabinet, in situ for just a few months.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Jul 24 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Merely an 'Interim' Shadow Cabinet, in situ for just a few months. They may as well wheel out the hard core in the beginning. They've nothing to lose currently.
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| YT Oxford 09 Jul 24 2.19pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Merely an 'Interim' Shadow Cabinet, in situ for just a few months. If only there were '300' to choose from!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Jul 24 2.45pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Regarding Millionaire flight I don't see that Brexit or UK tax policy has particularly hurt this group. There is a trend the world over for people to be more mobile and not just the poor. 50 years ago £10 Poms went to Australia thinking they would never see their families again. Today we have Zoom, social media and international travel. Feeling homesick? People used to listen to the BBC World Service on Long Wave. Today of course you can be as up to date about old Blighty as a local, through the internet and streaming services so you wont even miss your favourite soap. Anyway just my opinion, I think this trend is here to stay, a repressive tax regime (if one happens) may just be the final straw to somebody who was already thinking of leaving.
Edited by Badger11 (09 Jul 2024 9.54am) I agree with you. We have a guest here at the moment whose home is on the other side of the world. She spends time everyday talking on FaceTime to her extended family, helping the young ones with their homework and sharing gossip. She says she is spending more time with them now than when she is at home! Our world has really shrunk. Life today is very different to only a few years ago. Living overseas for a while has already become quite normal. National boundaries are less relevant. This isn’t going to change so we need to learn to embrace it.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jul 24 2.47pm |
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Originally posted by YT
We have 121 remnants of the earthquake but we are the oldest, most successful political party in British history and we will rebuild and hold the 'Starmergeddon' majority to account.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 09 Jul 24 3.20pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Looking at Sunak's shadow cabinet it's like he'd learned nothing. It's pure centralism. There's No Suella, no Jenrick...even no place for big bum Pritti. If they want to win back seats they need to focus on making their policies and manifestos appealing to the wider voting demographic, not less (by moving further right) and grabbing votes off Labour and Lib Dems, not Reform who they were second to in two constituencies. Being more right of centre than right isn't what got them the boot.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Jul 24 3.32pm |
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I hope that the right do all go off to join Reform. It’s the honest and logical place for them. Then the voters will know where they stand and can make an informed choice. Do I vote for a hard right party, with no experience of government, whose natural ceiling seems around 15% of the electorate? Or for a centre right party, with a long history of government, whose traditional base is around twice as big. You need to be a very convinced hardliner to vote for Reform if you believe they have no chance of actually influencing policy. It will be much easier for the Tories to keep the centre right on board than it would be for Reform to prise them away in 2029. Why? Because in 2024 they were judged on performance. In 2029 they will be judged, as will be Reform, judged on theory. Only Labour will then be judged on performance. The Tories need to stay firmly in the centre. To go hard right would be suicide. For sure they will need to make the right noise, but not actually go right. Noise about learning lessons and appealing to a wider electorate. By then there will also be some who voted Labour and LibDem more than ready to switch back. So bye bye Suella and Pritti. You won’t be missed.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 09 Jul 24 3.44pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I hope that the right do all go off to join Reform. It’s the honest and logical place for them. Then the voters will know where they stand and can make an informed choice. Do I vote for a hard right party, with no experience of government, whose natural ceiling seems around 15% of the electorate? Or for a centre right party, with a long history of government, whose traditional base is around twice as big. You need to be a very convinced hardliner to vote for Reform if you believe they have no chance of actually influencing policy. It will be much easier for the Tories to keep the centre right on board than it would be for Reform to prise them away in 2029. Why? Because in 2024 they were judged on performance. In 2029 they will be judged, as will be Reform, judged on theory. Only Labour will then be judged on performance. The Tories need to stay firmly in the centre. To go hard right would be suicide. For sure they will need to make the right noise, but not actually go right. Noise about learning lessons and appealing to a wider electorate. By then there will also be some who voted Labour and LibDem more than ready to switch back. So bye bye Suella and Pritti. You won’t be missed. Suella has a good chance of being the next leader. Priti is a former PR charlatan masquerading as a politician. She will no doubt be back in some capacity, but good riddance for now.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jul 24 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Suella has a good chance of being the next leader. Priti is a former PR charlatan masquerading as a politician. She will no doubt be back in some capacity, but good riddance for now. If only she would learn to pronounce G at the end of words. She was gettin' on my nerves.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jul 24 4.18pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I hope that the right do all go off to join Reform. It’s the honest and logical place for them. Then the voters will know where they stand and can make an informed choice. Do I vote for a hard right party, with no experience of government, whose natural ceiling seems around 15% of the electorate? Or for a centre right party, with a long history of government, whose traditional base is around twice as big. You need to be a very convinced hardliner to vote for Reform if you believe they have no chance of actually influencing policy. It will be much easier for the Tories to keep the centre right on board than it would be for Reform to prise them away in 2029. Why? Because in 2024 they were judged on performance. In 2029 they will be judged, as will be Reform, judged on theory. Only Labour will then be judged on performance. The Tories need to stay firmly in the centre. To go hard right would be suicide. For sure they will need to make the right noise, but not actually go right. Noise about learning lessons and appealing to a wider electorate. By then there will also be some who voted Labour and LibDem more than ready to switch back. So bye bye Suella and Pritti. You won’t be missed. Oh yes. That's far more important than actually doing something. Good grief.
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