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georgenorman 11 Mar 22 9.07am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You commented without watching the link didn't you. Anyway using that logic you'd have every country in the world with nuclear weapons. Besides, this isn't my point. These labs are US funded, why are they there and why did they lie about them. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2022 8.33am) So they were wise to give up their nuclear weapons? Perhaps the UK, USA and France should give up theirs then.
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Eaglecoops CR3 11 Mar 22 9.15am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You commented without watching the link didn't you. Anyway using that logic you'd have every country in the world with nuclear weapons. Besides, this isn't my point. These labs are US funded, why are they there and why did they lie about them. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2022 8.33am) They could well be there and they could well be funded by the US but it doesn’t necessarily mean the US government know much about it. The CIA appear to do what they like around the world and you sometimes wonder whether they act completely autonomously from their governing body. No excuse for invading a country but it could be a reason why the Russians feel Ukraine isn’t entirely neutral.
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Stirlingsays 11 Mar 22 10.12am | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
They could well be there and they could well be funded by the US but it doesn’t necessarily mean the US government know much about it. The CIA appear to do what they like around the world and you sometimes wonder whether they act completely autonomously from their governing body. No excuse for invading a country but it could be a reason why the Russians feel Ukraine isn’t entirely neutral. The Pentagon know about it, that's been revealed. Nothing would surprise me about Biden, he's a walking meme, he's probably on drugs just to cognitively get through the day. It's not in dispute that Russia are the invader and that we back the right of the Ukraine to defend itself. That said, I'm rather desperate for peace, seemingly more than the media or US government. We can clearly see the potential for serious escalation and I'm seeing the sudden commentary on chemical weapons very concerning. I know Russia has them, however I didn't know that the Ukraine had US funded biolabs concerning god knows what. I don't trust any of them. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2022 10.13am)
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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Mar 22 10.20am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The Pentagon know about it, that's been revealed. Nothing would surprise me about Biden, he's a walking meme, he's probably on drugs just to cognitively get through the day. It's not in dispute that Russia are the invader and that we back the right of the Ukraine to defend itself. That said, I'm rather desperate for peace, seemingly more than the media or US government. We can clearly see the potential for serious escalation and I'm seeing the sudden commentary on chemical weapons very concerning. I know Russia has them, however I didn't know that the Ukraine had US funded biolabs concerning god knows what. I don't trust any of them. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2022 10.13am) Very wise. Unfortunately, the Americans and Russians feel the same way about each other, and this results in a race to the depths of immorality.
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Stirlingsays 11 Mar 22 10.25am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
So they were wise to give up their nuclear weapons? Perhaps the UK, USA and France should give up theirs then. Do you think you are talking to some kind of f***ing hippy or something? I'm not an egalitarian, we have nuclear weapons because of our status as a world power. I'm not a plonker who thinks everyone should have the most f***ing dangerous weapons in human history, whose mass release is capable of sending us back to the stone age. The Ukraine had left over Soviet nukes....they weren't 'theirs' and the agreement you're talking about was struck during a very different time in their relations. I couldn't give a monkey's uncle over the rights and wrongs of those decisions. I care about my children growing up.
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silvertop Portishead 11 Mar 22 10.27am | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
"Russian Forces that have been Slowly Advancing on Kyiv from the Eastern Ukrainian city of Sumy have reportedly begun to withdraw back towards the Western Russian Border over the last 24 hours according to US Intel Officials, there is No Indication for why this is occurring." Chem/bio deployment?
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Stirlingsays 11 Mar 22 10.32am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Very wise. Unfortunately, the Americans and Russians feel the same way about each other, and this results in a race to the depths of immorality. 'The first casualty of war is truth' (Hiram W Johnson)
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silvertop Portishead 11 Mar 22 10.35am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It seems that worries are growing that Putin may use chemical weapons, perhaps on a pretext or via a false flag. This has been said by several today and, judged by its tone, is based on more than just speculation. The USA seems to have either a source inside the Russian military or, more likely, are able to intercept communications. So I think they have good reason to be worried. The argument being that the war is not going as they expected, but they cannot accept compromises, so will move to the next level. This is expected to be chlorine bombing, similar to that they used in Syria. If correct this would escalate the conflict very considerably as the loss of civilian life would be in the thousands. I already heard one MP say this must be a red line which if crossed must result in us responding militarily. I don't think Nato will respond but wonder if some Nato members might, either on their own, or in concert, but independent of Nato command. That would present many problems because Putin won't want to make the distinction. Things could be about to become much worse than they already are. I also sense a growing division between what Ukraine expects of us, what we can deliver and what we expect of them. I think we secretly hope they accept defeat soon, avoid needless loss of life, and then resist in a guerilla war, whilst we allow the sanctions to do their work. They want us to give them air cover, so they can continue their military defence, are getting frustrated at our refusal, and putting pressure on to get that reversed. In my opinion we really mustn't do that. Heard a military expert say that the surface-to-air missiles are far cheaper and more effective than dog-fighting Migs. The problem with aircraft is they are prestige and symbolic and would demonstrate a very public gift from a NATO country. Something the Russians can identify as an aggressive act against them by NATO and use accordingly. Apparently, an unlimited flow of bullets and small arms - including stingers - would not.
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silvertop Portishead 11 Mar 22 10.37am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The Pentagon know about it, that's been revealed. Nothing would surprise me about Biden, he's a walking meme, he's probably on drugs just to cognitively get through the day. It's not in dispute that Russia are the invader and that we back the right of the Ukraine to defend itself. That said, I'm rather desperate for peace, seemingly more than the media or US government. We can clearly see the potential for serious escalation and I'm seeing the sudden commentary on chemical weapons very concerning. I know Russia has them, however I didn't know that the Ukraine had US funded biolabs concerning god knows what. I don't trust any of them. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2022 10.13am) He hasn't been in office long enough to be the cause of this.
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Stirlingsays 11 Mar 22 10.46am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
He hasn't been in office long enough to be the cause of this. He was in office as vice president for two terms and had extensive dealings with Ukraine. So I wouldn't be so sure about that. However, my point on Biden related to his probably not being the main director in the US anymore over military decisions on Ukraine....it seems to me that after Afghanistan the Pentagon have much more influence.....We had the quite incredible spectacle of the secretary of state Blinken having his 'green lit' jets to Poland idea being publicly turned down by the Pentagon.
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Stirlingsays 11 Mar 22 11.16am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Heard a military expert say that the surface-to-air missiles are far cheaper and more effective than dog-fighting Migs. The problem with aircraft is they are prestige and symbolic and would demonstrate a very public gift from a NATO country. Something the Russians can identify as an aggressive act against them by NATO and use accordingly. Apparently, an unlimited flow of bullets and small arms - including stingers - would not. Jets, can make mince meat of large tank conveys out in the open. It would be a Turkey shoot. Stingers and 'anti' stuff are piecemeal, hand held and need to be far closer and so be fired back on far more easily. The Ukrainian forces aren't fighting out in the open but in built up residential and city areas. That's how they are managing to slow down the Russian progress. If this were the Chechen war the Russians would be flatting everything before they went in, as we did in Iraq. What scares me is the lack of progress being made peace wise, if the Russians decide to speed things up it's going to be far worse. I'm hoping they sit outside the cities and there is stalemate....things calm down and a settlement is reached. But at the moment all I'm continuing to hear is 'ra ra war' and people talking about 'Putler'. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2022 11.20am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Mar 22 12.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Tucker Carlson seems to be the only mainstream journalist actually questioning official narratives. Here he is asking questions about the biolabs uncovered in Ukraine.....At first called a conspiracy theory and now admitted to be 'securing bio-chemical weapons'....stated to be Russian weapons from 2005....That's 17 years ago, why are they still there. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2022 7.47am) I suspect that what Carlson is referring to is related to today's story from "Gab" highlighting the existence of a co-operation between the US and Ukraine which dates back many years. Not something new started under the current administration. The detail can be found here:-https://nationalfile.com/archived-records-show-u-s-government-admitted-funding-biolabs-ukraine-including-vaccine-development/ If you read the official agreement, rather than the spin being put on it by Carlson, Gab and the "national File" this is about assisting Ukraine to eliminate nuclear weapons and to prevent proliferation of biological weapons. Not about developing their own. Helping a friendly nation defend itself against a threatening neighbour is hardly a crime. Recent work has been on Corona vaccines. Read the statement from the US Embassy. Carlson and Gab in presenting this in the way they have are gifting propaganda to Putin. It potentially gives him cover for using chemical weapons and then blaming the Ukrainians. It is therefore not too big a stretch to suggest that in seeking to make political gestures, they could cost the lives of thousands of Ukrainians and heap misery on millions. Alongside raising the risk of a major escalation. All in the name of "free speech".
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