Generally held to be the lowest form of wit.

Edited by becky (14 Jan 2021 6.35pm)

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf was wrong. As I have patiently shown you.

I can think of many lines to top others here but don't use them. If I intervene I generally apologise and then make points pertinent to the discussion.

I don't just jump in and attempt to play the smart ars*.

It might not be a "biggie" to you but it is seriously wearing to me. You used to ask me not to answer you at all, which I declined to do, because I want to engage with what I regard as fallacious arguments. Not to just trade insults like school kids do.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

This is what I actually wrote:-

"The protest has nothing to do with skin colour though does it?

That people assume it does is a large part of this problem.

The protest is about discrimination. In this case because of attitudes about skin colour.

It's the discrimination and the attitudes which are causing the protests."

Please read it slowly, line by line. Some people only see what they want to see. Try not to be one of them!

I very clearly say the protests are about discrimination and that in this case that discrimination is caused by people's attitudes.

If you want to debate why some people hold these attitudes and discriminate as a consequence that's fine. It is though a separate debate.

This one is about the protests and why concerned people are holding them. They aren't protesting about the colour of their skins are they? They are protesting about attitudes held by others and the discrimination which results. Discrimination which shows itself in a myriad of ways.

There is an important distinction here which seems to escape a lot of people. I hope I have helped you to recognise that.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

If anyone needs proof that WE will engage and argue the most absurd positions out there it's presented right here.

The idea that 'attitudes about skin colour' have nothing....and I repeat his word, 'nothing' to do with skin colour is so ridiculous I almost can't believe I'm writing about it.

In a sense perhaps I should be comforted that this guy has finally come around to an almost pathological recognition of categories...but here's it's to a comical extent.

Let's look at this idea:

My attitude towards Crystal Palace.....well it has nothing to do with Crystal Palace.....even though it will govern how I treat Crystal Palace, how much money I spend, what I do with my time.

I also laugh at the reductionist idea that it's only about 'discrimination'....really so is it racial or not?

I'm imagining that it is as these protests wouldn't really be happening over my preference for long legged women over short legged women would they?

I'm also quite sure that these protests aren't happening about discrimination against white people. For example I doubt any of those people complained about the BBC's programe on 'Whiteness'.

So really what we have here are lies defended for ego purposes....how much the individual actually believes in them I don't know...I party think it's contrarian overload.

Perhaps someone should present WE with a golden pin.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

As you frequently talk about the "white race in these pages, which is a concept I both reject and think abhorrent, I am not the least surprised by this answer. It is as predictable as it is wrong.

At the core this is a very simple issue. People are not to be judged on their appearance, but by who they are. Using any kind of descriptive terminology which relies solely on appearance is inaccurate and we all need to think about that and try harder.

We have learned not to denigrate those with disabilities by separating them rom the rest of us with labels. We have done the same with sexuality. We have learned and improved. Or at least most of us have.

We lag behind on the skin colour issue, but it is essentially the same one and we will get there.

We therefore need to get away from using unhelpful and innaccurate terminology and concentrate on what really matters. What these protests are about are the attitudes that still exist in society which result in this kind of discrimination.

Those attitudes are as a consequence of differentness, and not as a consequence of skin colour.

It might be a convenient shorthand to use a lazy descriptive but it's also dangerous.

As you seem to have scant regard for putting society in danger I guess you won't care too much about that though.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.