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Quote Mr_Gristle at 11 Jan 2016 1.29pm
Can someone remind me what panto villain Corbyn has done to screw up our economy, widen the wealth gap between the haves and have-nots, outsource our infrastucture to foreign companies and foreign state-supported entities and make the housing market in the south east all but inaccessible to new entrants without a sizeable trust fund? Keep on swallowing the propaganda, people. All is well with Dave & George at the helm. Nothing to worry about except the Reds / Scots / Islamist Fanatics. Keep spending......
Labour then lurched to the left with Miliband/Balls and the country decided not to risk a minimum 5 year term with those prize plonkers at the helm. The Labour Party have now appointed Corbyn as leader with the backing of about 200,000 hardened Labour members and unions. His performance so far has put off many millions of potential voters, not any propaganda - did the sun or the mail force Corbyn to say he would not fire a nuclear device? Does the express give Corbyn fashion tips? Does the telegraph or Sky News advise Corbyn on his choice of shadow cabinet? All of what Corbyn does is reported on TV, Radio, internet and newspapers and people make their own minds up. Recent polls suggest they think Corbyn is a scruffy trotskyist that cannot be trusted to do what is best for our country in its hour of need. He is a hypocrite who chastises fellow MP's for being disloyal, but as a backbencher he defied the Labour Whip over 550 times. I hope and pray that he continues as Labour leader as every day he is in office the chances of Labour getting back into power greatly diminish. People keep saying that Corbyn has the biggest mandate of any previous Labour leader, but that in reality is the 200,000 I mentioned above. The job Corbyn has to do to get in power is to convince about 12 million voters to back him and all he appears to be doing is scaring them off?
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Quote nickgusset at 10 Jan 2016 12.09am
As with all things time will tell. I think despite most of the media against him, Corbyn will help labour close the gap and even usurp the Tories come election time.
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| chris123 hove actually 11 Jan 16 4.50pm |
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Most people's biggest bills are mortgage and fuel - even if interest rates do go up it will be small increments - but $35 a barrel means we're in for cheap fuel for a while - maybe as cheap as 10 years ago. China is so dominant in the world economy these days that what happens to their economy is bound to have a knock on effect - probably more market effect than the pound in your pocket.
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| chris123 hove actually 11 Jan 16 4.53pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 10 Jan 2016 12.09am
As with all things time will tell. I think despite most of the media against him, Corbyn will help labour close the gap and even usurp the Tories come election time.
Posting while drunk is not a good idea.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 11 Jan 16 6.57pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Jan 2016 3.49pm
Quote Mr_Gristle at 11 Jan 2016 1.29pm
Can someone remind me what panto villain Corbyn has done to screw up our economy, widen the wealth gap between the haves and have-nots, outsource our infrastucture to foreign companies and foreign state-supported entities and make the housing market in the south east all but inaccessible to new entrants without a sizeable trust fund? Keep on swallowing the propaganda, people. All is well with Dave & George at the helm. Nothing to worry about except the Reds / Scots / Islamist Fanatics. Keep spending......
Labour then lurched to the left with Miliband/Balls and the country decided not to risk a minimum 5 year term with those prize plonkers at the helm. The Labour Party have now appointed Corbyn as leader with the backing of about 200,000 hardened Labour members and unions. His performance so far has put off many millions of potential voters, not any propaganda - did the sun or the mail force Corbyn to say he would not fire a nuclear device? Does the express give Corbyn fashion tips? Does the telegraph or Sky News advise Corbyn on his choice of shadow cabinet? All of what Corbyn does is reported on TV, Radio, internet and newspapers and people make their own minds up. Recent polls suggest they think Corbyn is a scruffy trotskyist that cannot be trusted to do what is best for our country in its hour of need. He is a hypocrite who chastises fellow MP's for being disloyal, but as a backbencher he defied the Labour Whip over 550 times. I hope and pray that he continues as Labour leader as every day he is in office the chances of Labour getting back into power greatly diminish. People keep saying that Corbyn has the biggest mandate of any previous Labour leader, but that in reality is the 200,000 I mentioned above. The job Corbyn has to do to get in power is to convince about 12 million voters to back him and all he appears to be doing is scaring them off? You've missed the point Hoof. My point is that - whatever your views on Corbyn - he and his viewpoints have had no bearing whatsoever on the way the UK economy stands now. He is being used as part of the smoke & mirrors campaign being run to tell us all that Dave & George's Plan A is working and we need at least another 4 years of it because Corbyn in power would bankrupt the country / get it nuked by the Russians / get it overrun by "terrorists". My point is that the UK economy is becoming ever more distorted against the interests of the average working person (house prices, job insecurity, outsourcing of mid-range jobs, race to the bottom on pay & conditions etc) and this can and should be laid firmly at the door of Dave, George and their sponsors.
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| Hoof Hearted 12 Jan 16 11.48am | |
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Quote Mr_Gristle at 11 Jan 2016 6.57pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Jan 2016 3.49pm
Quote Mr_Gristle at 11 Jan 2016 1.29pm
Can someone remind me what panto villain Corbyn has done to screw up our economy, widen the wealth gap between the haves and have-nots, outsource our infrastucture to foreign companies and foreign state-supported entities and make the housing market in the south east all but inaccessible to new entrants without a sizeable trust fund? Keep on swallowing the propaganda, people. All is well with Dave & George at the helm. Nothing to worry about except the Reds / Scots / Islamist Fanatics. Keep spending......
Labour then lurched to the left with Miliband/Balls and the country decided not to risk a minimum 5 year term with those prize plonkers at the helm. The Labour Party have now appointed Corbyn as leader with the backing of about 200,000 hardened Labour members and unions. His performance so far has put off many millions of potential voters, not any propaganda - did the sun or the mail force Corbyn to say he would not fire a nuclear device? Does the express give Corbyn fashion tips? Does the telegraph or Sky News advise Corbyn on his choice of shadow cabinet? All of what Corbyn does is reported on TV, Radio, internet and newspapers and people make their own minds up. Recent polls suggest they think Corbyn is a scruffy trotskyist that cannot be trusted to do what is best for our country in its hour of need. He is a hypocrite who chastises fellow MP's for being disloyal, but as a backbencher he defied the Labour Whip over 550 times. I hope and pray that he continues as Labour leader as every day he is in office the chances of Labour getting back into power greatly diminish. People keep saying that Corbyn has the biggest mandate of any previous Labour leader, but that in reality is the 200,000 I mentioned above. The job Corbyn has to do to get in power is to convince about 12 million voters to back him and all he appears to be doing is scaring them off? You've missed the point Hoof. My point is that - whatever your views on Corbyn - he and his viewpoints have had no bearing whatsoever on the way the UK economy stands now. He is being used as part of the smoke & mirrors campaign being run to tell us all that Dave & George's Plan A is working and we need at least another 4 years of it because Corbyn in power would bankrupt the country / get it nuked by the Russians / get it overrun by "terrorists". My point is that the UK economy is becoming ever more distorted against the interests of the average working person (house prices, job insecurity, outsourcing of mid-range jobs, race to the bottom on pay & conditions etc) and this can and should be laid firmly at the door of Dave, George and their sponsors.
I don't disagree that Corbyn personally has had no direct effect on the economy to date, but the criticisms of him now relate to his perceived ability to be able to run the country - he has put himself up for the job by accepting the Labour Party leadership. It happened to Cameron before he was elected PM and it will always happen to the leader of the opposition. As for your 2nd paragraph.... you claim all the problems can be laid at the door of Cameron and Osborne but I would say the unfettered immigration started by Blair/Brown has had more of a negative effect on the items you mentioned. Certainly house prices have been driven up by the shortage of housing caused by immigration. Job insecurity and pay & conditions affected by an ever increasing tide of eu migrants prepared to work for less and without contracts or sick pay etc..... not to mention illegal immigrants from all over the world working here either. I'll bet though that you are in favour of staying in the EU despite what I have just pointed out!
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Quote Mr_Gristle at 11 Jan 2016 6.57pm
You've missed the point Hoof. My point is that - whatever your views on Corbyn - he and his viewpoints have had no bearing whatsoever on the way the UK economy stands now. He is being used as part of the smoke & mirrors campaign being run to tell us all that Dave & George's Plan A is working and we need at least another 4 years of it because Corbyn in power would bankrupt the country / get it nuked by the Russians / get it overrun by "terrorists". My point is that the UK economy is becoming ever more distorted against the interests of the average working person (house prices, job insecurity, outsourcing of mid-range jobs, race to the bottom on pay & conditions etc) and this can and should be laid firmly at the door of Dave, George and their sponsors. The point that is being made by the mainstream media, quite rightly in my and most people's opinions, is that things would be a hundred times worse if Corbyn's policies were to be implemented. No-one is saying that Cameron and the Tories have done a perfect job, but they are in the view of the electorate (we did have a general election) the most credible party for government. Regarding your second paragraph, the Conservatives have in my view tried to address some of these issues. Their hike in stamp duty on Buy-to-Let properties and extra incentives for First Time Buyers is a clear attempt to spread the wealth, and they've raised the minimum wage. Those are pretty leftist policies if anything. If you buy into the left-wing media's stereotype that Dave and George are nasty Tories then that's your prerogative, I think the evidence suggests otherwise. They've been about as centrist as you can get.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jan 16 12.45pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Jan 2016 11.48am
Quote Mr_Gristle at 11 Jan 2016 6.57pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Jan 2016 3.49pm
Quote Mr_Gristle at 11 Jan 2016 1.29pm
Can someone remind me what panto villain Corbyn has done to screw up our economy, widen the wealth gap between the haves and have-nots, outsource our infrastucture to foreign companies and foreign state-supported entities and make the housing market in the south east all but inaccessible to new entrants without a sizeable trust fund? Keep on swallowing the propaganda, people. All is well with Dave & George at the helm. Nothing to worry about except the Reds / Scots / Islamist Fanatics. Keep spending......
Labour then lurched to the left with Miliband/Balls and the country decided not to risk a minimum 5 year term with those prize plonkers at the helm. The Labour Party have now appointed Corbyn as leader with the backing of about 200,000 hardened Labour members and unions. His performance so far has put off many millions of potential voters, not any propaganda - did the sun or the mail force Corbyn to say he would not fire a nuclear device? Does the express give Corbyn fashion tips? Does the telegraph or Sky News advise Corbyn on his choice of shadow cabinet? All of what Corbyn does is reported on TV, Radio, internet and newspapers and people make their own minds up. Recent polls suggest they think Corbyn is a scruffy trotskyist that cannot be trusted to do what is best for our country in its hour of need. He is a hypocrite who chastises fellow MP's for being disloyal, but as a backbencher he defied the Labour Whip over 550 times. I hope and pray that he continues as Labour leader as every day he is in office the chances of Labour getting back into power greatly diminish. People keep saying that Corbyn has the biggest mandate of any previous Labour leader, but that in reality is the 200,000 I mentioned above. The job Corbyn has to do to get in power is to convince about 12 million voters to back him and all he appears to be doing is scaring them off? You've missed the point Hoof. My point is that - whatever your views on Corbyn - he and his viewpoints have had no bearing whatsoever on the way the UK economy stands now. He is being used as part of the smoke & mirrors campaign being run to tell us all that Dave & George's Plan A is working and we need at least another 4 years of it because Corbyn in power would bankrupt the country / get it nuked by the Russians / get it overrun by "terrorists". My point is that the UK economy is becoming ever more distorted against the interests of the average working person (house prices, job insecurity, outsourcing of mid-range jobs, race to the bottom on pay & conditions etc) and this can and should be laid firmly at the door of Dave, George and their sponsors.
I don't disagree that Corbyn personally has had no direct effect on the economy to date, but the criticisms of him now relate to his perceived ability to be able to run the country - he has put himself up for the job by accepting the Labour Party leadership. It happened to Cameron before he was elected PM and it will always happen to the leader of the opposition. As for your 2nd paragraph.... you claim all the problems can be laid at the door of Cameron and Osborne but I would say the unfettered immigration started by Blair/Brown has had more of a negative effect on the items you mentioned. Certainly house prices have been driven up by the shortage of housing caused by immigration. Job insecurity and pay & conditions affected by an ever increasing tide of eu migrants prepared to work for less and without contracts or sick pay etc..... not to mention illegal immigrants from all over the world working here either. I'll bet though that you are in favour of staying in the EU despite what I have just pointed out! You judge a person's ability in politics by how they dress? Then you get the government you deserve. Housing crisis caused by immigration - perhaps it has some bearing on this, but selling off council/social housing (ooh and look Cameron is knocking down sink estates to replace them with affordable -£450k affordable my arse - stock)and not replacing them with social housing coupled with over 500000 empty properties has more impact if you ask me.
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Quote nickgusset at 12 Jan 2016 12.45pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Jan 2016 11.48am
Quote Mr_Gristle at 11 Jan 2016 6.57pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Jan 2016 3.49pm
Quote Mr_Gristle at 11 Jan 2016 1.29pm
Can someone remind me what panto villain Corbyn has done to screw up our economy, widen the wealth gap between the haves and have-nots, outsource our infrastucture to foreign companies and foreign state-supported entities and make the housing market in the south east all but inaccessible to new entrants without a sizeable trust fund? Keep on swallowing the propaganda, people. All is well with Dave & George at the helm. Nothing to worry about except the Reds / Scots / Islamist Fanatics. Keep spending......
Labour then lurched to the left with Miliband/Balls and the country decided not to risk a minimum 5 year term with those prize plonkers at the helm. The Labour Party have now appointed Corbyn as leader with the backing of about 200,000 hardened Labour members and unions. His performance so far has put off many millions of potential voters, not any propaganda - did the sun or the mail force Corbyn to say he would not fire a nuclear device? Does the express give Corbyn fashion tips? Does the telegraph or Sky News advise Corbyn on his choice of shadow cabinet? All of what Corbyn does is reported on TV, Radio, internet and newspapers and people make their own minds up. Recent polls suggest they think Corbyn is a scruffy trotskyist that cannot be trusted to do what is best for our country in its hour of need. He is a hypocrite who chastises fellow MP's for being disloyal, but as a backbencher he defied the Labour Whip over 550 times. I hope and pray that he continues as Labour leader as every day he is in office the chances of Labour getting back into power greatly diminish. People keep saying that Corbyn has the biggest mandate of any previous Labour leader, but that in reality is the 200,000 I mentioned above. The job Corbyn has to do to get in power is to convince about 12 million voters to back him and all he appears to be doing is scaring them off? You've missed the point Hoof. My point is that - whatever your views on Corbyn - he and his viewpoints have had no bearing whatsoever on the way the UK economy stands now. He is being used as part of the smoke & mirrors campaign being run to tell us all that Dave & George's Plan A is working and we need at least another 4 years of it because Corbyn in power would bankrupt the country / get it nuked by the Russians / get it overrun by "terrorists". My point is that the UK economy is becoming ever more distorted against the interests of the average working person (house prices, job insecurity, outsourcing of mid-range jobs, race to the bottom on pay & conditions etc) and this can and should be laid firmly at the door of Dave, George and their sponsors.
I don't disagree that Corbyn personally has had no direct effect on the economy to date, but the criticisms of him now relate to his perceived ability to be able to run the country - he has put himself up for the job by accepting the Labour Party leadership. It happened to Cameron before he was elected PM and it will always happen to the leader of the opposition. As for your 2nd paragraph.... you claim all the problems can be laid at the door of Cameron and Osborne but I would say the unfettered immigration started by Blair/Brown has had more of a negative effect on the items you mentioned. Certainly house prices have been driven up by the shortage of housing caused by immigration. Job insecurity and pay & conditions affected by an ever increasing tide of eu migrants prepared to work for less and without contracts or sick pay etc..... not to mention illegal immigrants from all over the world working here either. I'll bet though that you are in favour of staying in the EU despite what I have just pointed out! You judge a person's ability in politics by how they dress? Then you get the government you deserve. Housing crisis caused by immigration - perhaps it has some bearing on this, but selling off council/social housing (ooh and look Cameron is knocking down sink estates to replace them with affordable -£450k affordable my arse - stock)and not replacing them with social housing coupled with over 500000 empty properties has more impact if you ask me.
I'll bet you didn't turn up to your last job interview wearing casual clothes. The public build up a picture of any potential leader by the way he/she dresses, speaks, carries themselves and the way they react in a crisis. Corbyn fails all round. Playing down immigration's effect on housing stock is naive and wrong. It is the single most important reason why there is a chronic shortage now and with net annual immigration increasing by 330,000 and rising, there will never be enough housing built to cope with demand or the space for the necessary infrastructure that goes with it. But never mind nick you vote yes to stay in the EU mate.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 12 Jan 16 1.39pm |
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Quote We are goin up! at 12 Jan 2016 11.57am
Regarding your second paragraph, the Conservatives have in my view tried to address some of these issues. Their hike in stamp duty on Buy-to-Let properties and extra incentives for First Time Buyers is a clear attempt to spread the wealth, and they've raised the minimum wage. Those are pretty leftist policies if anything. If you buy into the left-wing media's stereotype that Dave and George are nasty Tories then that's your prerogative, I think the evidence suggests otherwise. They've been about as centrist as you can get. Corbyn wouldn't have a chance to do anything about policy (assuming he could deliver an election win) for years yet. Politics of fear, innit - vote for us because the other side will lead you to rack and ruin..... I don't disagree that - finally after how long? - some tinkering around the edges is taking place around Buy to Let. In my view however, the net effect will be to increase government revenue rather than stop or even slow down the runaway train. Allowing older people to get their hands on large capital sums by cashing in pension funds early weighs much more heavily on the other side of the balance if you ask me. The minimum wage has a lot further to go to be a living wage in many areas of the country - if they enforce a rise so that minimum wage earners don't need state handouts to top their income up to a "living" level, then I'll give them the praise they would then be due. I don't buy into the "Nasty Tories" line at all. Tories aren't nasty by definition. Dave & George have their consituency, sponsors and dogma like any other politicians but these don't - for my money - align to the interests of the average working person in the UK. As for them being Centrist.......only in comparison to UKIP!
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jan 16 4.41pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Jan 2016 12.59pm
Quote nickgusset at 12 Jan 2016 12.45pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Jan 2016 11.48am
Quote Mr_Gristle at 11 Jan 2016 6.57pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Jan 2016 3.49pm
Quote Mr_Gristle at 11 Jan 2016 1.29pm
Can someone remind me what panto villain Corbyn has done to screw up our economy, widen the wealth gap between the haves and have-nots, outsource our infrastucture to foreign companies and foreign state-supported entities and make the housing market in the south east all but inaccessible to new entrants without a sizeable trust fund? Keep on swallowing the propaganda, people. All is well with Dave & George at the helm. Nothing to worry about except the Reds / Scots / Islamist Fanatics. Keep spending......
Labour then lurched to the left with Miliband/Balls and the country decided not to risk a minimum 5 year term with those prize plonkers at the helm. The Labour Party have now appointed Corbyn as leader with the backing of about 200,000 hardened Labour members and unions. His performance so far has put off many millions of potential voters, not any propaganda - did the sun or the mail force Corbyn to say he would not fire a nuclear device? Does the express give Corbyn fashion tips? Does the telegraph or Sky News advise Corbyn on his choice of shadow cabinet? All of what Corbyn does is reported on TV, Radio, internet and newspapers and people make their own minds up. Recent polls suggest they think Corbyn is a scruffy trotskyist that cannot be trusted to do what is best for our country in its hour of need. He is a hypocrite who chastises fellow MP's for being disloyal, but as a backbencher he defied the Labour Whip over 550 times. I hope and pray that he continues as Labour leader as every day he is in office the chances of Labour getting back into power greatly diminish. People keep saying that Corbyn has the biggest mandate of any previous Labour leader, but that in reality is the 200,000 I mentioned above. The job Corbyn has to do to get in power is to convince about 12 million voters to back him and all he appears to be doing is scaring them off? You've missed the point Hoof. My point is that - whatever your views on Corbyn - he and his viewpoints have had no bearing whatsoever on the way the UK economy stands now. He is being used as part of the smoke & mirrors campaign being run to tell us all that Dave & George's Plan A is working and we need at least another 4 years of it because Corbyn in power would bankrupt the country / get it nuked by the Russians / get it overrun by "terrorists". My point is that the UK economy is becoming ever more distorted against the interests of the average working person (house prices, job insecurity, outsourcing of mid-range jobs, race to the bottom on pay & conditions etc) and this can and should be laid firmly at the door of Dave, George and their sponsors.
I don't disagree that Corbyn personally has had no direct effect on the economy to date, but the criticisms of him now relate to his perceived ability to be able to run the country - he has put himself up for the job by accepting the Labour Party leadership. It happened to Cameron before he was elected PM and it will always happen to the leader of the opposition. As for your 2nd paragraph.... you claim all the problems can be laid at the door of Cameron and Osborne but I would say the unfettered immigration started by Blair/Brown has had more of a negative effect on the items you mentioned. Certainly house prices have been driven up by the shortage of housing caused by immigration. Job insecurity and pay & conditions affected by an ever increasing tide of eu migrants prepared to work for less and without contracts or sick pay etc..... not to mention illegal immigrants from all over the world working here either. I'll bet though that you are in favour of staying in the EU despite what I have just pointed out! You judge a person's ability in politics by how they dress? Then you get the government you deserve. Housing crisis caused by immigration - perhaps it has some bearing on this, but selling off council/social housing (ooh and look Cameron is knocking down sink estates to replace them with affordable -£450k affordable my arse - stock)and not replacing them with social housing coupled with over 500000 empty properties has more impact if you ask me.
I'll bet you didn't turn up to your last job interview wearing casual clothes. The public build up a picture of any potential leader by the way he/she dresses, speaks, carries themselves and the way they react in a crisis. Corbyn fails all round. Playing down immigration's effect on housing stock is naive and wrong. It is the single most important reason why there is a chronic shortage now and with net annual immigration increasing by 330,000 and rising, there will never be enough housing built to cope with demand or the space for the necessary infrastructure that goes with it. But never mind nick you vote yes to stay in the EU mate. Do you concede that a failure to replace sold off housing stock and vast numbers of empty properties has a bearing on the housing crisis. How about those forced out through unaffordable private rents? Does this not make the situation worse?
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Quote nickgusset at 12 Jan 2016 4.41pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Jan 2016 12.59pm
Quote nickgusset at 12 Jan 2016 12.45pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Jan 2016 11.48am
Quote Mr_Gristle at 11 Jan 2016 6.57pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Jan 2016 3.49pm
Quote Mr_Gristle at 11 Jan 2016 1.29pm
Can someone remind me what panto villain Corbyn has done to screw up our economy, widen the wealth gap between the haves and have-nots, outsource our infrastucture to foreign companies and foreign state-supported entities and make the housing market in the south east all but inaccessible to new entrants without a sizeable trust fund? Keep on swallowing the propaganda, people. All is well with Dave & George at the helm. Nothing to worry about except the Reds / Scots / Islamist Fanatics. Keep spending......
Labour then lurched to the left with Miliband/Balls and the country decided not to risk a minimum 5 year term with those prize plonkers at the helm. The Labour Party have now appointed Corbyn as leader with the backing of about 200,000 hardened Labour members and unions. His performance so far has put off many millions of potential voters, not any propaganda - did the sun or the mail force Corbyn to say he would not fire a nuclear device? Does the express give Corbyn fashion tips? Does the telegraph or Sky News advise Corbyn on his choice of shadow cabinet? All of what Corbyn does is reported on TV, Radio, internet and newspapers and people make their own minds up. Recent polls suggest they think Corbyn is a scruffy trotskyist that cannot be trusted to do what is best for our country in its hour of need. He is a hypocrite who chastises fellow MP's for being disloyal, but as a backbencher he defied the Labour Whip over 550 times. I hope and pray that he continues as Labour leader as every day he is in office the chances of Labour getting back into power greatly diminish. People keep saying that Corbyn has the biggest mandate of any previous Labour leader, but that in reality is the 200,000 I mentioned above. The job Corbyn has to do to get in power is to convince about 12 million voters to back him and all he appears to be doing is scaring them off? You've missed the point Hoof. My point is that - whatever your views on Corbyn - he and his viewpoints have had no bearing whatsoever on the way the UK economy stands now. He is being used as part of the smoke & mirrors campaign being run to tell us all that Dave & George's Plan A is working and we need at least another 4 years of it because Corbyn in power would bankrupt the country / get it nuked by the Russians / get it overrun by "terrorists". My point is that the UK economy is becoming ever more distorted against the interests of the average working person (house prices, job insecurity, outsourcing of mid-range jobs, race to the bottom on pay & conditions etc) and this can and should be laid firmly at the door of Dave, George and their sponsors.
I don't disagree that Corbyn personally has had no direct effect on the economy to date, but the criticisms of him now relate to his perceived ability to be able to run the country - he has put himself up for the job by accepting the Labour Party leadership. It happened to Cameron before he was elected PM and it will always happen to the leader of the opposition. As for your 2nd paragraph.... you claim all the problems can be laid at the door of Cameron and Osborne but I would say the unfettered immigration started by Blair/Brown has had more of a negative effect on the items you mentioned. Certainly house prices have been driven up by the shortage of housing caused by immigration. Job insecurity and pay & conditions affected by an ever increasing tide of eu migrants prepared to work for less and without contracts or sick pay etc..... not to mention illegal immigrants from all over the world working here either. I'll bet though that you are in favour of staying in the EU despite what I have just pointed out! You judge a person's ability in politics by how they dress? Then you get the government you deserve. Housing crisis caused by immigration - perhaps it has some bearing on this, but selling off council/social housing (ooh and look Cameron is knocking down sink estates to replace them with affordable -£450k affordable my arse - stock)and not replacing them with social housing coupled with over 500000 empty properties has more impact if you ask me.
I'll bet you didn't turn up to your last job interview wearing casual clothes. The public build up a picture of any potential leader by the way he/she dresses, speaks, carries themselves and the way they react in a crisis. Corbyn fails all round. Playing down immigration's effect on housing stock is naive and wrong. It is the single most important reason why there is a chronic shortage now and with net annual immigration increasing by 330,000 and rising, there will never be enough housing built to cope with demand or the space for the necessary infrastructure that goes with it. But never mind nick you vote yes to stay in the EU mate. Do you concede that a failure to replace sold off housing stock and vast numbers of empty properties has a bearing on the housing crisis. How about those forced out through unaffordable private rents? Does this not make the situation worse? Last year the population increased by 491,000. 260,000 of those were from migration, of the remaining 231,000 birth increase - a quarter were to mothers born outside the UK. If the private rents were unaffordable, then no one would be renting them. Doesn't matter if there are empty properties as you seem to think that people who have their rents paid should never have to move to other areas, even if they have a glut of empty properties that are cheap to rent. Edited by Stuk (12 Jan 2016 4.55pm)
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