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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Dec 18 1.09pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Cutting back on so called Indian restaurants is no bad thing as we have far too many anyway. Not only that but it will save on deforestation judging by the huge volume of menus that come flooding through my letterbox LOL you and me One more point
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Beckenham 27 Dec 18 1.09pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Cutting back on so called Indian restaurants is no bad thing as we have far too many anyway. Not only that but it will save on deforestation judging by the huge volume of menus that come flooding through my letterbox

LOL you and me

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steve1984 27 Dec 18 1.17pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 What's that got to do with brexit? Kind of begs the question why should anyone bother to write an article about anything at all if people like yourself question it's legitimacy without actually reading it? The connection with brexit is laid out in some detail in the article you've helpfully provided a link to. Were you hoping that we'd read it for you?
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steve1984 27 Dec 18 1.17pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

What's that got to do with brexit?

Kind of begs the question why should anyone bother to write an article about anything at all if people like yourself question it's legitimacy without actually reading it?

The connection with brexit is laid out in some detail in the article you've helpfully provided a link to. Were you hoping that we'd read it for you?

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steve1984 27 Dec 18 1.25pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Correct.....No trucks of peace for them. No just sarin gas on the underground and a bunch of knife attacks, including some lunatic who knifed 19 disabled people to death. If only we could be more like the Japanese.
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steve1984 27 Dec 18 1.25pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Correct.....No trucks of peace for them.

No just sarin gas on the underground and a bunch of knife attacks, including some lunatic who knifed 19 disabled people to death.

If only we could be more like the Japanese.

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dannyboy1978 27 Dec 18 2.16pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Kind of begs the question why should anyone bother to write an article about anything at all if people like yourself question it's legitimacy without actually reading it? The connection with brexit is laid out in some detail in the article you've helpfully provided a link to. Were you hoping that we'd read it for you? So they need to pay more? It's supply and demand. 30k !! Really isn't that different tobthe average wage, &ef_id=XBLQNwAAAIXniXrg:20181227141405" target="_blank">[Link]
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27 Dec 18 2.16pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Kind of begs the question why should anyone bother to write an article about anything at all if people like yourself question it's legitimacy without actually reading it?

The connection with brexit is laid out in some detail in the article you've helpfully provided a link to. Were you hoping that we'd read it for you?

So they need to pay more? It's supply and demand. 30k !! Really isn't that different tobthe average wage, &ef_id=XBLQNwAAAIXniXrg:20181227141405" target="_blank">[Link]

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 27 Dec 18 3.08pm
Project Fear continues! 'No-deal Brexit could put public at risk, warns Met chief' [Link] What bollox by the useless Met. There are numerous non-EU countries that are part of Europol and there is no reason why the UK can't be too. Again, it works both ways as the EU countries will also need access to our database as much as we need theirs. Instead of politicising the issue with the media, why can't they just get on with amending the existing agreements? (and over 2 years to do it). And what a surprise, this is story no.2 on the BBC home page. Edited by Penge Eagle (27 Dec 2018 3.14pm)
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Beckenham 27 Dec 18 3.08pm

Project Fear continues!

'No-deal Brexit could put public at risk, warns Met chief' [Link]

What bollox by the useless Met. There are numerous non-EU countries that are part of Europol and there is no reason why the UK can't be too. Again, it works both ways as the EU countries will also need access to our database as much as we need theirs. Instead of politicising the issue with the media, why can't they just get on with amending the existing agreements? (and over 2 years to do it). And what a surprise, this is story no.2 on the BBC home page.

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chris123 hove actually 27 Dec 18 3.21pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Project Fear continues! 'No-deal Brexit could put public at risk, warns Met chief' [Link] What bollox by the useless Met. There are numerous non-EU countries that are part of Europol and there is no reason why the UK can't be too. Again, it works both ways as the EU countries will also need access to our database as much as we need theirs. Instead of politicising the issue with the media, why can't they just get on with amending the existing agreements? And what a surprise, this is story no.2 on the BBC home page. Edited by Penge Eagle (27 Dec 2018 3.10pm) She needs to do her job and ensure adequate measures are in place to mitigate when we leave. And Europol is an EU member only institution.
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hove actually 27 Dec 18 3.21pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Project Fear continues!

'No-deal Brexit could put public at risk, warns Met chief' [Link]

What bollox by the useless Met. There are numerous non-EU countries that are part of Europol and there is no reason why the UK can't be too. Again, it works both ways as the EU countries will also need access to our database as much as we need theirs. Instead of politicising the issue with the media, why can't they just get on with amending the existing agreements? And what a surprise, this is story no.2 on the BBC home page.

Edited by Penge Eagle (27 Dec 2018 3.10pm)

She needs to do her job and ensure adequate measures are in place to mitigate when we leave. And Europol is an EU member only institution.

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Stirlingsays 27 Dec 18 3.58pm
Originally posted by steve1984 No just sarin gas on the underground and a bunch of knife attacks, including some lunatic who knifed 19 disabled people to death. If only we could be more like the Japanese. You want to compare knife crime and terror attacks with the Japanese? That Sarin attack was in 1995. I get it that you can't admit you're wrong but here's a list of countries by homicide rate. [Link] If you can't be bothered. UK 1.2 violent deaths per 100, 000 Japan 0.28 violent deaths per 100, 000 Over four times worse.....and the stats for the UK were for 2016....missing out on our recent London centred expressions.....In fact I wouldn't be surprised if a fairer proportion of crime in Japan is itself carried out by their small number of foreigners over the Japanese average. Yeah Stevie boy....If only we could be more like the Japanese.....less people would be murdered. A lot of truth can be learned about the world just from looking at those statistics. Not the ideological bullcrap that gets fed to the sheep to keep them feeling good and docile. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2018 4.46pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Dec 18 3.58pm

Originally posted by steve1984

No just sarin gas on the underground and a bunch of knife attacks, including some lunatic who knifed 19 disabled people to death.

If only we could be more like the Japanese.

You want to compare knife crime and terror attacks with the Japanese? That Sarin attack was in 1995.

I get it that you can't admit you're wrong but here's a list of countries by homicide rate.

[Link]

If you can't be bothered.

UK 1.2 violent deaths per 100, 000
Japan 0.28 violent deaths per 100, 000

Over four times worse.....and the stats for the UK were for 2016....missing out on our recent London centred expressions.....In fact I wouldn't be surprised if a fairer proportion of crime in Japan is itself carried out by their small number of foreigners over the Japanese average.

Yeah Stevie boy....If only we could be more like the Japanese.....less people would be murdered.

A lot of truth can be learned about the world just from looking at those statistics. Not the ideological bullcrap that gets fed to the sheep to keep them feeling good and docile.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2018 4.46pm)

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steve1984 27 Dec 18 5.19pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays A lot of truth can be learned about the world just from looking at those statistics. Of course I can be bothered, that's why I'm here. But are these more of your "holistic statistics"? A particularly intriguing variety about which I've been unable to discover anything at all. As for admitting that I'm wrong? Well I see no reason to do so as unlike yourself I'm not looking to create* evidence of the evils of immigration. But if I were then for sure, just like you, I could find some. "Lies, damned lies and statistics" Samuel Langhorne Clemens Having spent most of my professional life working with statistics I'm acutely aware of the fact that they can be used to support just about any position. So whilst I might think it a tragedy that the UK suffers from almost 4.5 times the number of homicides than Japan, I could just as readily be consoled by the fact that the we have 80% less than the USA. Statistics can say what ever you want them to say. Which being a maths and computer science graduate I'm sure you already know. *discover, reveal, find, etc PS and because your entire agenda is determined by the need to blame immigrants, you'll probably be tempted to point out that the USA is a nation of immigrants. A melting pot of different cultures, thrown together by the vagaries of immigration and the slave trade. It's the blacks, the hispanics, loonies with guns etc. No wonder they have such a high murder rate. But by using statistics it would be easy to make a correlation between GDP/capita and homicide. Poorer countries having a higher murder rate even when those countries have experienced little if any immigration. Statistics just like patriotism can be the last refuge of the scoundrel. Edited by steve1984 (27 Dec 2018 5.52pm)
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steve1984 27 Dec 18 5.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A lot of truth can be learned about the world just from looking at those statistics.

Of course I can be bothered, that's why I'm here. But are these more of your "holistic statistics"? A particularly intriguing variety about which I've been unable to discover anything at all.

As for admitting that I'm wrong? Well I see no reason to do so as unlike yourself I'm not looking to create* evidence of the evils of immigration. But if I were then for sure, just like you, I could find some.

"Lies, damned lies and statistics" Samuel Langhorne Clemens

Having spent most of my professional life working with statistics I'm acutely aware of the fact that they can be used to support just about any position.

So whilst I might think it a tragedy that the UK suffers from almost 4.5 times the number of homicides than Japan, I could just as readily be consoled by the fact that the we have 80% less than the USA.

Statistics can say what ever you want them to say. Which being a maths and computer science graduate I'm sure you already know.

*discover, reveal, find, etc

PS and because your entire agenda is determined by the need to blame immigrants, you'll probably be tempted to point out that the USA is a nation of immigrants. A melting pot of different cultures, thrown together by the vagaries of immigration and the slave trade. It's the blacks, the hispanics, loonies with guns etc. No wonder they have such a high murder rate.

But by using statistics it would be easy to make a correlation between GDP/capita and homicide. Poorer countries having a higher murder rate even when those countries have experienced little if any immigration. Statistics just like patriotism can be the last refuge of the scoundrel.

Edited by steve1984 (27 Dec 2018 5.52pm)

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steve1984 27 Dec 18 5.24pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 So they need to pay more? There are none so blind as will not see. “We supported Brexit because we were promised we would be allowed to bring our skilled workers from the subcontinent,” Mr Junue said. Nothing to see here. Just more broken promises.
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steve1984 27 Dec 18 5.24pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

So they need to pay more?

There are none so blind as will not see.

“We supported Brexit because we were promised we would be allowed to bring our skilled workers from the subcontinent,” Mr Junue said.

Nothing to see here. Just more broken promises.

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Stirlingsays 27 Dec 18 5.52pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Of course I can be bothered, that's why I'm here. But are these more of your "holistic statistics"? A particularly intriguing variety about which I've been unable to discover anything at all. As for admitting that I'm wrong? Well I see no reason to do so as unlike yourself I'm not looking to create* evidence of the evils of immigration. But if I were then for sure, just like you, I could find some. "Lies, damned lies and statistics" Samuel Langhorne Clemens Having spent most of my professional life working with statistics I'm acutely aware of the fact that they can be used to support just about any position. So whilst I might think it a tragedy that the UK suffers from almost 4.5 times the number of homicides than Japan, I could just as readily be consoled by the fact that the we have 80% less than the USA. Statistics can say what ever you want them to say. Which being a maths and computer science graduate I'm sure you already know. *discover, reveal, find, etc Edited by steve1984 (27 Dec 2018 5.38pm) There's a core element of truth in what you wrote there....of course, we all know how statistics can be used for dishonest purposes. However it isn't quite true to say that if we use the 'statistics' honestly that just about anything can be said. The important aspect is....Are the statistics being analyzed in a fair and reasonable way? If we accept that the methods used to gather these statistics are fair then they can be reliably used to make several factual statements. Like country A is so many times more violent than country B. Of course when we then analyse why that is we enter into a different question, which might require different statistics, which itself brings its own questions. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Dec 18 5.52pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Of course I can be bothered, that's why I'm here. But are these more of your "holistic statistics"? A particularly intriguing variety about which I've been unable to discover anything at all.

"Lies, damned lies and statistics" Samuel Langhorne Clemens

Having spent most of my professional life working with statistics I'm acutely aware of the fact that they can be used to support just about any position.

Statistics can say what ever you want them to say. Which being a maths and computer science graduate I'm sure you already know.

*discover, reveal, find, etc

Edited by steve1984 (27 Dec 2018 5.38pm)

There's a core element of truth in what you wrote there....of course, we all know how statistics can be used for dishonest purposes.

However it isn't quite true to say that if we use the 'statistics' honestly that just about anything can be said.

The important aspect is....Are the statistics being analyzed in a fair and reasonable way?

If we accept that the methods used to gather these statistics are fair then they can be reliably used to make several factual statements. Like country A is so many times more violent than country B.

Of course when we then analyse why that is we enter into a different question, which might require different statistics, which itself brings its own questions.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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steve1984 27 Dec 18 5.54pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays There's a core element of truth in what you wrote there....of course, we all know how statistics can be used for dishonest purposes. However it isn't quite true to say that if we use the 'statistics' honestly that just about anything can be said. The important aspect is....Are the statistics being analyzed in a fair and reasonable way? If we accept that the methods used to gather these statistics are fair then they can be reliably used to make several factual statements. Like country A is so many times more violent than country B. Of course when we then analyse why that is we enter into a different question, which might require different statistics, which itself brings its own questions. I agree absolutely and continue to feel happy that I don't live in the USA.
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steve1984 27 Dec 18 5.54pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There's a core element of truth in what you wrote there....of course, we all know how statistics can be used for dishonest purposes.

However it isn't quite true to say that if we use the 'statistics' honestly that just about anything can be said.

The important aspect is....Are the statistics being analyzed in a fair and reasonable way?

If we accept that the methods used to gather these statistics are fair then they can be reliably used to make several factual statements. Like country A is so many times more violent than country B.

Of course when we then analyse why that is we enter into a different question, which might require different statistics, which itself brings its own questions.

I agree absolutely and continue to feel happy that I don't live in the USA.

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Stirlingsays 27 Dec 18 5.55pm
Originally posted by steve1984 There are none so blind as will not see. “We supported Brexit because we were promised we would be allowed to bring our skilled workers from the subcontinent,” Mr Junue said. Nothing to see here. Just more broken promises. Brexit hasn't actually happened yet Stevie......This is like analysing the affects of the French revolution before 1789. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Dec 18 5.55pm

Originally posted by steve1984

There are none so blind as will not see.

“We supported Brexit because we were promised we would be allowed to bring our skilled workers from the subcontinent,” Mr Junue said.

Nothing to see here. Just more broken promises.

Brexit hasn't actually happened yet Stevie......This is like analysing the affects of the French revolution before 1789.

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