The current incumbents leading the Tory party seem determined....at least while they still hold the reigns.....to keep the Tory party in the centre.

Everyone with brains knows that the Tories can't win while Reform exist as a home for its right wing. However, these guys are bitter and seem unable to take responsibility for the state they put the Conservativie party in where 40 percent of their natural supporters voted for another party.

Here they have suspended the membership of Connor Tomlinson of Lotus Eaters....probably for his interview with Liz Truss and criticisms of the Tory leadership.

Tomlinson voted Conservative yet, as we can see, currently the Conservative Party seem to be expelling conservatives who criticise them.

Lotus Eaters for those that don't know are a DR website run by Sargon and whose election night coverage had higher numbers than all the main broadcasters other than the BBC....This is despite you probably not having heard of them because the mainstream don't give them coverage....as they obviously ignore all alternative media despite it being very successful....So considering the advantages the mainstream broadcasters have in automatic access to the public it's incredible and shows just how poorly they serve us and how especially younger people are considering them legacy media of the past who don't provide value or enough honesty.

The BBC, as we know, are the people who make you pay for the TV license through the courts rather than it being a commercial choice as with the Lotus Eaters.....Whereas Lotus Easter are only five pounds a month to access right wing Tory commentary.

The Tory leadership are a mess.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2024 7.03am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Bringing your data up to date, the UK is expected to lose 9,500 millionaires this year, on top of the 16,500 millionaires it lost in the six-year period following Brexit. Like it or not, that was the trigger event.

The signal went out to all those pesky foreigners that we don't want you. A message received not only by poor EU citizens who pick the cabbages but also the very wealthy ones who used to enjoy their London lifestyles.

The UK is in decline. This is a process accelerated by Brexit and its inevitable aftermath.

The direction of travel is the New World. The USA, true, but also Canada and Australia, two countries with similar fiscal polices and mixed economies to ours.

The difference is that those countries have vast open spaces and lower costs. The $ travels farther. It has little or nothing to do with socialism or the new Labour government. It may, of course, also be connected with the threat to tax non doms and the very rich to fill the gap. But then all the parties promised that.

Edited by silvertop (09 Jul 2024 9.42am)

I accept what you are saying....However I don't agree with this idea that it has nothing to do with socialism (this government deserve time before proper judgement). You only have to look at history for proof....In recent times let's remember when France voted in socialist Hollande in for example and the giant capital flight that occurred.

We have just thrown out a lot of Russian millionaires who owned a lot of assets in London (which keeps the rest of the country afloat) and BRICs millionaires are taking the same route. However, this didn't seem to trouble those who would make this general point concerning Brexit.

However, I don't deny the Brexit point you make.....it's a downside of what was required if you were going to Brexit.....Problem is they only did Brexit in name only.

They cucked at the obvious competing with the EU requirement to make Brexit work and instead went for a kind of apology agreement that makes Brexit kind of a defeat at delivery.

Our elites have no balls and don't really believe in anything other than their own careers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2024 10.01am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The socialism of the 1960s and 1970s almost killed us with the flood of wealth and talent. You get no argument from me there. However, the mixed economy that had grown since Thatcher and including Blaire/Brown with its retained elements of socialism was a magnet for millionaires. The socialist share has not increased in the last 14 years.

As an aside, I have an aversion to this "elites" model so beloved of the alt right. The central message of Animal Farm has not been learned. If the perfect Stirlingsays government were to come to power, those elites would be replaced by your elites. Can you guarantee they will be better for me and my family?

Let’s examine some of these claims shall we. Claims no doubt lifted from these wonderful new right wing websites dedicated to telling you the truth that the MSM ignore!

In 2019 the Tories had a landslide victory getting 43.6% of the popular vote. The Brexit Party got 2.0%.

In 2024 they collapsed to 23.7% whilst Reform got 14.3%.

So the Tories lost 19.9% whilst Farage gained 12.3%.

43.6% was above the average, and 23.7% clearly the worst ever, almost certainly entirely due to Reform. Even with them together at 38.0% they are below their average which is around 40%. Labour got 412 seats with just 33.7% of the vote, which shows just how disastrous splitting the Tory vote was.

It’s the splitting which is responsible for this situation, not the determination of the Tories to control the centre. 7.6% of the Tory vote was lost other than to Reform, even if you assume every one of those who voted for them previously voted Tory. On top of that 23.7% of Tories did not vote Reform. I voted Tory.

What does that tell us? That Farage has natural allies on the ring wing of the Tory Party? Clearly true. That they together could become powerful enough to form a government? Very unlikely! If 23.7% didn’t move now they are not going to in the future. People like me, and there are many of us, are intractably opposed to extremes, either of the left or right. We are the middle ground. The 23.7% who stand on the centre right who, together with other centralists on the centre left in Labour and the Lib Dems, would never allow people either like Corbyn or Farage to become dominant. You’ve just watched something not totally without parallels in France. Populism has its limits.

Which is why the Tories must, and almost certainly will, stay as a centre right party for if they don’t they would just disappear. There isn’t room for 2 parties on the right.

Recapturing that 7.6%, showing the futility of splitting the vote, fresh faces, the passage of time and Labour being blamed , should be enough for a resurgent, modern Tory Party to re-emerge and reassume its place as the natural party of government.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

It is obvious that as things stand, the Tories and Reform must not compete for votes if they want to oust Labour.
What will go on over 5 years, no one knows, but I'm confident it will be long enough for people to see that Labour is not the answer.
Farage trusted Boris and got screwed. He will be reluctant to do any deal unless he gets a much better deal next time round.
That would include a lot more uncontested seats for Reform one would imagine.