Pretty much agree on that, though I'm a bit of a square like that as I was never into all that....more the gym. I just got hammered occasionally on the booze when I was younger but that was always more social than being into it.

Yeah, it's funny when you hear about what the CIA and other security agencies are alleged to get up to......Literally being funded by their taxpayers to be the actual criminals.

Quite crazy.

Nothing really seems to have changed either.

Although I feel bringing my children into the conversation not too chilvalrous from you. I don't speak to my children about politics. I just give them lots of love - and money.

And a willingness to accept statements from those excused for being economical with the truth because, of course, they have our best interests at heart.

Sometimes, yes.

Balancing the need for complete openness against the need for the security of the nation in a world in which many dangers exist cannot be easy.

If done only for personal reasons, never. If done for our ultimate benefit, then ok.

We don’t always all need to know everything. Some of us cannot be trusted.

I don’t regard this as political. I can respect those who honestly believe in different political approaches to my own.

I see this as much more basic than that. I see this as the difference between truth and lies. A battle between honesty and deception. I totally reject the idea that there is a global elite intent on controlling everything for their own benefit. I have more faith in the fundamental goodness of humanity than that. Flawed we may be. That evil exists among us is obvious but not in large numbers. There is simply no way that a global elite could organise itself to do what it is accused of doing, or be united in a self serving endeavour. It’s not real.

I only see conspiracy theories being created by those who wish us harm in places where freedom of expression is restricted and spread into the minds of the easily impressionable via the modern media without any effective controls, then amplified by those who see an opportunity for profit.

It’s no wonder to me that a surge of mistrust in science, business, government and institutions has occurred during the internet age. A time I regard as post truth. That others see it as healthy, and the time when previously accepted norms are being challenged, fails on every level, simply because almost always there is no real evidence, no peer review, no fact checking. When even fact-checkers are dismissed as bias you know something is seriously wrong.

So it’s not having discussions directly with your children that concerns. It’s creating an environment in which lies are believed more than truths. It’s encouraging distrust. An open mind and a degree of scepticism is healthy, but only when the resolution is to seek genuine information from those qualified to give it. Not from self serving grifters on the internet.

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I've deliberately taken a direct quote out of context you say. Whats the context then? "Covid vaccine and other GENE therapies. Hardly "jumping all over the place. I'm quoting directly. My understanding is they had to admit it was for gene therapy. Otherwise they could not have been able to give the grant. I don't have any definitive proof for that. But it seems likely.

I'm fully aware the government have denied it's gene therapy.

So the "vaccine" delivers the gene into the cytoplasm to make a cell express a certain protein. Now it's true to say that it would need to go into the nucleus for it to be officially gene therapy. But still the gene is going into the cell from the jab.
Can we trust that it doesn't go elsewhere? Well I don't trust them. Neither does many vaccine experts.

However I don't trust big pharma or our government.
This is an experimental procedure. You can bang on about the technology being nothing new. But it has only been tested recently on humans - and it ain't going well

The Bayer guy admits it. It's not our of context. Again what is the context you have in mind?

You are the one here gaslighting people on a tremendous scale spreading falsehoods. But very few are buying it.

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