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 Badger11  Beckenham 14 Sep 23 4.37pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Looking forward to how this is justified. I don't see this as an EU problem as such. It's simply that each country has the same problem Italy and Greece are taking the brunt and want to push the problem onto others. France deals with it by pushing them onto to us. Unfortunately we are at the end of the line. Europe (not just the EU) needs to grow a pair and work together not to agree quotas ala Starmer but to push back. The other countries including UK should be assisting the front line countries with logistical support.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 14 Sep 23 8.32pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I don't see this as an EU problem as such. It's simply that each country has the same problem Italy and Greece are taking the brunt and want to push the problem onto others. France deals with it by pushing them onto to us. Unfortunately we are at the end of the line. . the general push of refugees is North-Westerly. Hence, Ireland is the end of the line.....unless Iceland starts accepting them, which is highly unlikely as Iceland still has a functioning democracy.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 14 Sep 23 9.44pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
It was a general point that each country is trying to solve the problem by making it somebody else's problem. We seem to be one of the few that is not dumping the problem on another country.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 23 8.18am |
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Braverman is doing exactly the right thing by addressing outdated international law. Our friends on the continent better pay attention because, as I have been saying for a long time, Europe needs to wake up to the impending disaster awaiting if we don't start sending migrants back to where they came from or to an alternative destination. Meanwhile, Labour would rather indulge in Tory bashing instead of supporting her in what is one of the most serious issues facing this country.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 26 Sep 23 8.31am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Braverman is doing exactly the right thing by addressing outdated international law. Our friends on the continent better pay attention because, as I have been saying for a long time, Europe needs to wake up to the impending disaster awaiting if we don't start sending migrants back to where they came from or to an alternative destination. Meanwhile, Labour would rather indulge in Tory bashing instead of supporting her in what is one of the most serious issues facing this country. I was genuinely shocked by how many thousands are arriving daily on that little Italian island, the numbers are just huge and yet the EU is just wring it's hands. As for Braverman I agree with her position but nothing will change. It suits many countries in the world to beat the west with that particular stick so they will be in no hurry to agree to change it. The UK must go it alone I'm afraid unless the EU decides to co-operate and I don't mean agreeing quotas but a policy of push back and deportation to stop the tide.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 23 9.18am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I was genuinely shocked by how many thousands are arriving daily on that little Italian island, the numbers are just huge and yet the EU is just wring it's hands. As for Braverman I agree with her position but nothing will change. It suits many countries in the world to beat the west with that particular stick so they will be in no hurry to agree to change it. The UK must go it alone I'm afraid unless the EU decides to co-operate and I don't mean agreeing quotas but a policy of push back and deportation to stop the tide. They will be cutting their own throats if they don't. The idea that we are all committing suicide because of some outdated agreement is absurd.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Sep 23 9.57am |
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As Europeans our existence is under threat and currently none of our politicians are willing to protect our future. Indeed, they want to turn us into minorities within our own homelands. Total Europeans - 940m European population: Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2023 10.02am)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 26 Sep 23 11.13am |
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At least we will be able to have a whole day free from motor-mouth Braverman. What is she going to tell the audience, how the conservative government created the small boats crisis and asylum chaos itself? She has got nothing to tell anybody about except serial tory disasters.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Sep 23 12.08pm |
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The analogy of the Titanic is a good one for people's current appraisal of what's happening. It took Titanic two hours and forty minutes to sink after she hit the iceberg....which is a testament to the crew who battled and died fighting the rising water delaying it long enough for nearly all the lifeboats. In that disaster only a handful of people knew what the fate of the ship was up till about half an hour till she passed below the waves.....many never really comprehended what was happening until it was too late. News was restricted to first class passengers so they could get to the lifeboats first. To stop panic people just weren't informed....you had to be bright enough to work it out yourself....to actually look around and work it out. The mass of people still thought she couldn't sink right up until that last half an hour. I see a lot of this same denialism today. If something is a negative people will just prefer to ignore it and pretend it's not happening....like parties in Berlin before the Russians turned up. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2023 12.10pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 23 12.56pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
They will be cutting their own throats if they don't. The idea that we are all committing suicide because of some outdated agreement is absurd. Ensuring that legislation is fit for purpose and not for the past is always sensible, as is trying to ensure cooperation. Regrettably, I don't trust Braverman to do that objectively, or with compassion for others. I think she always has her eye on how anything she says or does affects her standing within the ranks of the hard right. She has ambitions that overpower duty. Whatever changes to agreements are made will do little to alter the situation. While there are desperate people who see getting to Europe as their only way to a better life they will keep on coming and finding ways to do so. Unless they can see their prospects showing the possibility of improving at home, they will continue to try. So I see no short to medium-term solutions. The only answer is a long-term strategy which includes both carrots and sticks. It must never be forgotten that if we look back far enough all our ancestors were migrants from Africa in search of a better life. Our skins just got paler with less exposure to the sun but those who come are all our kin. Culturally different of course but still our kin. So this situation needs to be managed because it won't just be wiped away. Rhetoric being no substitute for realism.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 23 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
At least we will be able to have a whole day free from motor-mouth Braverman. What is she going to tell the audience, how the conservative government created the small boats crisis and asylum chaos itself? She has got nothing to tell anybody about except serial tory disasters. What garbage. They are hamstrung by Lefty lawyers and international agreements, and you know that full well. You really are a comedy Lefty.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 23 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Ensuring that legislation is fit for purpose and not for the past is always sensible, as is trying to ensure cooperation. Regrettably, I don't trust Braverman to do that objectively, or with compassion for others. I think she always has her eye on how anything she says or does affects her standing within the ranks of the hard right. She has ambitions that overpower duty. Whatever changes to agreements are made will do little to alter the situation. While there are desperate people who see getting to Europe as their only way to a better life they will keep on coming and finding ways to do so. Unless they can see their prospects showing the possibility of improving at home, they will continue to try. So I see no short to medium-term solutions. The only answer is a long-term strategy which includes both carrots and sticks. It must never be forgotten that if we look back far enough all our ancestors were migrants from Africa in search of a better life. Our skins just got paler with less exposure to the sun but those who come are all our kin. Culturally different of course but still our kin. So this situation needs to be managed because it won't just be wiped away. Rhetoric being no substitute for realism. Stop it for Christ sake. If you must do prehistoric comparisons. The migrants from Africa, diluted the existing occupants of Europe to non existence. That will be us this time round. We make up about one tenth of the world population.
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