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Sportyteacher London 07 May 17 10.13am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
[Tweet Link] Can't argue with the content of the speech that paints of a very accurate picture of how backwards this country has travelled under the stewardship of The Conservatives. A vote for Theresa is a vote for more lies and corruption and further privatisation of what is left of the public sector.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 07 May 17 10.15am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I just read the speech. Simplistic attack on the rich, "people held back by a system that is rigged for the rich", "the elites who are determined to hijack Brexit" [the funniest and most meaningless line I think], "corporate interest plundering our NHS" [which parts of the NHS had been privatised under May?], "The Conservatives only stand up when taking orders from their billionaire friends who hoard our country's wealth in tax havens.", "giving big business and the richest in society tax giveaways worth tens of billions of pounds". His solution to what he sees as the great evil of people being rich is to take the money from them and give it to people who are not rich. Somehow this is supposed to make the economy 'fairer' and magically generate loads more wealth that we can spend on various state run whelk stalls. I suppose the newly enriched poorer people would be better off for five minutes, until the country reverts to some sort of Cuban/Venezuelan shambles. Then of course they will be far poorer than they are under the wicked capitalists and their Tory lap dogs You seem fine that we are the least equal, least socially mobile developed nation in europe, that wages for the average person have falled sharper in this decade than at any point since the 1780s, while corporation tax is cut and subsidies paid in huge sums to foreign corporations who pay no tax. Honestly, are you that pessimistic that you think attempting to get rich people to even pay a small amount more is impossible? 3 times in history when working people pushed for their rights in the face of the rich and won: Corn Laws repealed, welfare state, minimum wage. Each time, the economy boomed afterwards. The narrative that it would collapse is a myth.
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 May 17 11.00am | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
You seem fine that we are the least equal, least socially mobile developed nation in europe, that wages for the average person have falled sharper in this decade than at any point since the 1780s, while corporation tax is cut and subsidies paid in huge sums to foreign corporations who pay no tax. Honestly, are you that pessimistic that you think attempting to get rich people to even pay a small amount more is impossible? 3 times in history when working people pushed for their rights in the face of the rich and won: Corn Laws repealed, welfare state, minimum wage. Each time, the economy boomed afterwards. The narrative that it would collapse is a myth. Caused by mass immigration.
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 May 17 11.03am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
[Tweet Link] No, follow the holy gourd....
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legaleagle 07 May 17 11.37am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Caused by mass immigration. “As the Bank of England said, for every 10% growth in immigration there is a 2% reduction in wages. That bears thinking about.” Boris Johnson, ITV, 9 June 2016"
Their report was much more specific than this. The report suggested that an increase in the ratio of foreign-born workers to UK-born workers in lower-paid service occupations caused a small but significant reduction in the average pay for low paid workers in that region. It found that a 1.88% reduction in pay for semi-skilled and unskilled service workers would be expected to follow, on average, a 10% increase in the proportion of immigrants working in those jobs in a particular region. Examples of jobs in this category include child minders, cleaners, shop assistants, call centre staff, bar staff and postal workers. The reduction in average pay for semi-skilled and unskilled service workers is mainly due to a drop in wages for low-paid workers born in the UK. A small part is because immigrants tend to be paid less than native workers, bringing the average down further. The Bank of England also found that an increase in the ratio of foreign-born to UK-born workers seemed to have an effect on the average UK wage nationally. This effect was much smaller than the effect found when the report focused on particular groups of occupation. Whether the immigrant workers had come from inside or outside the EU made very little difference. Between 2004-2006 and 2012-2014 the ratio of foreign-born to UK-born workers rose by about 8% in low-skilled and semi-skilled service occupations across the UK as a whole. This was the largest change in any of the four occupational groups classified by the report. So for a low-skilled or semi-skilled occupation paid £8 per hour, this would work out to a drop of between 1 and 2 pence per hour, each year. Many issues have an affect on the wages of the lowest paid. Academics commonly list global changes in technology and trade, or national differences in education, attitudes to gender, and union activity as having a much more significant effect than having a higher proportion of immigrants in the workforce."
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hedgehog50 Croydon 07 May 17 11.55am | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
You seem fine that we are the least equal, least socially mobile developed nation in europe, that wages for the average person have falled sharper in this decade than at any point since the 1780s, while corporation tax is cut and subsidies paid in huge sums to foreign corporations who pay no tax. Honestly, are you that pessimistic that you think attempting to get rich people to even pay a small amount more is impossible? 3 times in history when working people pushed for their rights in the face of the rich and won: Corn Laws repealed, welfare state, minimum wage. Each time, the economy boomed afterwards. The narrative that it would collapse is a myth. I don't know what is meant by 'least equal' or 'socially mobile'.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 07 May 17 12.02pm | |
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Interesting that the 9 out of 10 of the UK's richest people are not UK citizens (only the 9th richest, the Duke of Westminster is a UK citizen).
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 May 17 1.34pm | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
“As the Bank of England said, for every 10% growth in immigration there is a 2% reduction in wages. That bears thinking about.” Boris Johnson, ITV, 9 June 2016"
Their report was much more specific than this. The report suggested that an increase in the ratio of foreign-born workers to UK-born workers in lower-paid service occupations caused a small but significant reduction in the average pay for low paid workers in that region. It found that a 1.88% reduction in pay for semi-skilled and unskilled service workers would be expected to follow, on average, a 10% increase in the proportion of immigrants working in those jobs in a particular region. Examples of jobs in this category include child minders, cleaners, shop assistants, call centre staff, bar staff and postal workers. The reduction in average pay for semi-skilled and unskilled service workers is mainly due to a drop in wages for low-paid workers born in the UK. A small part is because immigrants tend to be paid less than native workers, bringing the average down further. The Bank of England also found that an increase in the ratio of foreign-born to UK-born workers seemed to have an effect on the average UK wage nationally. This effect was much smaller than the effect found when the report focused on particular groups of occupation. Whether the immigrant workers had come from inside or outside the EU made very little difference. Between 2004-2006 and 2012-2014 the ratio of foreign-born to UK-born workers rose by about 8% in low-skilled and semi-skilled service occupations across the UK as a whole. This was the largest change in any of the four occupational groups classified by the report. So for a low-skilled or semi-skilled occupation paid £8 per hour, this would work out to a drop of between 1 and 2 pence per hour, each year. Many issues have an affect on the wages of the lowest paid. Academics commonly list global changes in technology and trade, or national differences in education, attitudes to gender, and union activity as having a much more significant effect than having a higher proportion of immigrants in the workforce." So Immigration has effected wages. Thanks. BTW I'm not the one arguing for a Labour government because of wage suppression. I already voted to address that by voting Brexit.
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Stirlingsays 07 May 17 3.52pm | |
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The 'progressive' left are internationalist, they don't really care about the working class. They are as ideological as the bluest richest Tory. They care less about finding workable practical solutions to life over radically changing the structure of society. Multiculturalism is their baby. They don't care that it's failed for the majority. It's all about how they think you should live and it has very little to do with caring about how you feel about it.....Unless you are an 'repressed minority' of course. After the Labour membership twice gave them the Labour leadership It's long been predicted how they would do at the polls and now they are just getting what they deserve.
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Stirlingsays 07 May 17 3.53pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Interesting that the 9 out of 10 of the UK's richest people are not UK citizens (only the 9th richest, the Duke of Westminster is a UK citizen). Yeah, apparently we are too lazy to work. Don't train British nurses, just import cheaper foreign ones for many a year.....then say how the system would collapse without them. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2017 3.55pm)
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Kermit8 Hevon 07 May 17 4.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The 'progressive' left are internationalist, they don't really care about the working class. They are as ideological as the bluest richest Tory. They care less about finding workable practical solutions to life over radically changing the structure of society. Multiculturalism is their baby. They don't care that it's failed for the majority. It's all about how they think you should live and it has very little to do with caring about how you feel about it.....Unless you are an 'repressed minority' of course. After the Labour membership twice gave them the Labour leadership It's long been predicted how they would do at the polls and now they are just getting what they deserve. Basically, for nearly all of the last forty years the centre-right has held sway here and in Germany and in France has flip-flopped between them and centre-left. You really have no idea have you who is actually to blame for all the perceived ills that you see? The left have had very little power in that time compared to the right. Seek and ye shall find. The correct answers.
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Stirlingsays 07 May 17 4.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Basically, for nearly all of the last forty years the centre-right has held sway here and in Germany and in France has flip-flopped between them and centre-left. You really have no idea have you who is actually to blame for all the perceived ills that you see? The left have had very little power in that time compared to the right. Seek and ye shall find. The correct answers. Yeah, Kermit knows the truth. Kermit you can't even place a comma correctly. There is something to what you say though. A small certain section of the Tory party is happy to support high immigration as it suppresses wages and it means they can get their boilers fixed cheaply.....We all know they exist. It was Blair who turned the tap on and all you try to do is portray agreements that the Tories signed up to for trade as some kind of acceptance for concepts that you believe in. It's not even sixth form stuff. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2017 4.15pm)
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