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Kermit8 Hevon 13 Nov 14 12.37pm
Quote matt_himself at 13 Nov 2014 12.14pm Quote Kermit8 at 13 Nov 2014 11.06am Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 9.45pm Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.42pm Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.26pm Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.17pm Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.16pm Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.10pm Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.04pm Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 4.53pm Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 4.42pm Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 4.24pm ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY. The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment? It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it. Why could that be? You gotta admit - the video is pretty damning. He is not to be trusted, it appears. Not by a long chalk. That's your opinion. Enjoy the self satisfied buzz that comes with projecting it onto a message board. Be careful not to choke on the sand when you breathe in. I love Kermit comments like this. It screams 'I know best because I do'. Thanks Kermit. Just going by the pesky evidence, Velma. No sale. You are just being your usual smug self. So, what is your take on the video evidence? Is it Nige saying those words or not? And, if you believe it it is, will you still be marketing his more recent NHS speak as something that he truly believes in? You may decide to continue to do so but how will you know that his latter thoughts truly usurp the video-based ones? The flip-flopping chatterbox is snookering his own supporters. Or, he would be if they weren't so damned well in love with him. That was a very well edited video. None of us know what was put to Nigel before he spoke, we don't know the context in which he was asked to reply or do we know whether the response he gave was shortened in anyway. Draw from it what you will Kermit. However, you are a smart guy and must have doubts that you have witnessed the full extent of what was discussed in those events videoed. If you are unable to put Nige under the scrutiny spotlight for that video then I am coming to the conclusion that you don't actually really and truly support UKIP but are more interested in just being contrary against a few certain posters. So you answer my response with a personal accusation. Interesting. Do you know what questions were put to Nigel before he spoke? If so, what were they? Let me know then we can break down his response further. I do. And I will. Here we go [Link] Full public meeting vid: Watch from about 45mins in to get the NHS stuff at 48mins and in context. Look forward to your thoughts on Nigel's words and his subsequent backtracking. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Nov 2014 12.49pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 13 Nov 14 12.37pm

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ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?

You gotta admit - the video is pretty damning.

He is not to be trusted, it appears. Not by a long chalk.

That's your opinion. Enjoy the self satisfied buzz that comes with projecting it onto a message board.

Be careful not to choke on the sand when you breathe in.

I love Kermit comments like this. It screams 'I know best because I do'.

Thanks Kermit.

Just going by the pesky evidence, Velma.

No sale. You are just being your usual smug self.

So, what is your take on the video evidence? Is it Nige saying those words or not? And, if you believe it it is, will you still be marketing his more recent NHS speak as something that he truly believes in?

You may decide to continue to do so but how will you know that his latter thoughts truly usurp the video-based ones?

The flip-flopping chatterbox is snookering his own supporters. Or, he would be if they weren't so damned well in love with him.

That was a very well edited video. None of us know what was put to Nigel before he spoke, we don't know the context in which he was asked to reply or do we know whether the response he gave was shortened in anyway.

Draw from it what you will Kermit. However, you are a smart guy and must have doubts that you have witnessed the full extent of what was discussed in those events videoed.

If you are unable to put Nige under the scrutiny spotlight for that video then I am coming to the conclusion that you don't actually really and truly support UKIP but are more interested in just being contrary against a few certain posters.

So you answer my response with a personal accusation. Interesting.

Do you know what questions were put to Nigel before he spoke? If so, what were they? Let me know then we can break down his response further.

I do. And I will.

Here we go

[Link]

Full public meeting vid: Watch from about 45mins in to get the NHS stuff at 48mins and in context.

Look forward to your thoughts on Nigel's words and his subsequent backtracking.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 Nov 2014 12.49pm)

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matt_himself Matataland 13 Nov 14 1.25pm
Quote Kermit8 at 13 Nov 2014 12.37pm Quote matt_himself at 13 Nov 2014 12.14pm Quote Kermit8 at 13 Nov 2014 11.06am Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 9.45pm Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.42pm Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.26pm Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.17pm Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.16pm Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.10pm Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.04pm Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 4.53pm Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 4.42pm Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 4.24pm ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY. The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment? It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it. Why could that be? You gotta admit - the video is pretty damning. He is not to be trusted, it appears. Not by a long chalk. That's your opinion. Enjoy the self satisfied buzz that comes with projecting it onto a message board. Be careful not to choke on the sand when you breathe in. I love Kermit comments like this. It screams 'I know best because I do'. Thanks Kermit. Just going by the pesky evidence, Velma. No sale. You are just being your usual smug self. So, what is your take on the video evidence? Is it Nige saying those words or not? And, if you believe it it is, will you still be marketing his more recent NHS speak as something that he truly believes in? You may decide to continue to do so but how will you know that his latter thoughts truly usurp the video-based ones? The flip-flopping chatterbox is snookering his own supporters. Or, he would be if they weren't so damned well in love with him. That was a very well edited video. None of us know what was put to Nigel before he spoke, we don't know the context in which he was asked to reply or do we know whether the response he gave was shortened in anyway. Draw from it what you will Kermit. However, you are a smart guy and must have doubts that you have witnessed the full extent of what was discussed in those events videoed. If you are unable to put Nige under the scrutiny spotlight for that video then I am coming to the conclusion that you don't actually really and truly support UKIP but are more interested in just being contrary against a few certain posters. So you answer my response with a personal accusation. Interesting. Do you know what questions were put to Nigel before he spoke? If so, what were they? Let me know then we can break down his response further. I do. And I will. Here we go [Link] Full public meeting vid: Watch from about 45mins in to get the NHS stuff at 48mins and in context. Look forward to your thoughts on Nigel's words and his subsequent backtracking. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Nov 2014 12.49pm) Thank you Kermit. When I get 48 minutes spare I will watch it and respond. Just so I am not accused of hiding or bottling, it is unlikely to be before Saturday. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 13 Nov 14 1.25pm

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ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?

You gotta admit - the video is pretty damning.

He is not to be trusted, it appears. Not by a long chalk.

That's your opinion. Enjoy the self satisfied buzz that comes with projecting it onto a message board.

Be careful not to choke on the sand when you breathe in.

I love Kermit comments like this. It screams 'I know best because I do'.

Thanks Kermit.

Just going by the pesky evidence, Velma.

No sale. You are just being your usual smug self.

You may decide to continue to do so but how will you know that his latter thoughts truly usurp the video-based ones?

The flip-flopping chatterbox is snookering his own supporters. Or, he would be if they weren't so damned well in love with him.

Draw from it what you will Kermit. However, you are a smart guy and must have doubts that you have witnessed the full extent of what was discussed in those events videoed.

So you answer my response with a personal accusation. Interesting.

Do you know what questions were put to Nigel before he spoke? If so, what were they? Let me know then we can break down his response further.

I do. And I will.

Here we go

[Link]

Full public meeting vid: Watch from about 45mins in to get the NHS stuff at 48mins and in context.

Look forward to your thoughts on Nigel's words and his subsequent backtracking.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 Nov 2014 12.49pm)

Thank you Kermit. When I get 48 minutes spare I will watch it and respond. Just so I am not accused of hiding or bottling, it is unlikely to be before Saturday.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Kermit8 Hevon 13 Nov 14 1.50pm
If you want to torture yourself by watching the whole thing Matthew be my guest but... you only really need to watch the vid at 45mins in to 50mins in with regard to his NHS stance back then as I already mentioned. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 13 Nov 14 1.50pm

If you want to torture yourself by watching the whole thing Matthew be my guest but... you only really need to watch the vid at 45mins in to 50mins in with regard to his NHS stance back then as I already mentioned.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Nov 14 2.08pm
Quote Kermit8 at 13 Nov 2014 1.50pm If you want to torture yourself by watching the whole thing Matthew be my guest but... you only really need to watch the vid at 45mins in to 50mins in with regard to his NHS stance back then as I already mentioned. I watched it... very good speaker Mr F. I know the meeting was in Devon, but blimey, was there anyone there either a) Non white or b) under 35? He definitely, definitely said healthcare should be through insurance. Edited by nickgusset (13 Nov 2014 2.09pm)
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Quote Kermit8 at 13 Nov 2014 1.50pm

I watched it... very good speaker Mr F. I know the meeting was in Devon, but blimey, was there anyone there either a) Non white or b) under 35?

He definitely, definitely said healthcare should be through insurance.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 13 Nov 14 3.37pm
Quote xGeorgex at 13 Nov 2014 12.16pm Quote susmik at 13 Nov 2014 11.39am Just to be clear: Just to be clear: Your a T Total, homophobic hypocrite. Go UKIP That was really uncalled for in my opinion as my post was purely to show the difference between left and right. And just for the record I do not vote UKIP !! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 13 Nov 14 3.37pm

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Just to be clear:

Just to be clear: Your a T Total, homophobic hypocrite. Go UKIP

That was really uncalled for in my opinion as my post was purely to show the difference between left and right.

And just for the record I do not vote UKIP !!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Hoof Hearted 13 Nov 14 3.49pm
Quote DanH at 13 Nov 2014 10.52am Quote sydtheeagle at 13 Nov 2014 8.35am Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 10.33pm And for every failed company, we have a successful socialist country, don't we? Socialist countries have a wonderful track record and it is a conspiracy the size of the Kennedy assassination merged with Watergate that has prevented all countries being socialist. That and 'right wing press barons'. Matt, the use of the word "socialist" in your response is your own choice. I believe I merely referred to "parties of the left", of which socialist parties are one of many available flavours. The fact is that their are parties of the left (and I include social democrats in various countries in their number) that do have track records just as palatable, or better, than those on the right (although I accept that "better" rather depends on your perspective. There is no absolutes for either you or me.) The reason the left has not prevailed in the UK or the USA in recent years/decades is not something I have put down to a conspiracy by the media or anyone else. Others may or may not have done so, but I haven't. A study of political and or social science makes it clear there are many reasons the right have prevailed -- far too many to list in this response. Money, however, is probably close to the root of all of them in one way or another. Radix malorum est cupiditas. It was ever thus. The fact that the right has had a long run in power is no more proof that right wing politics are effective or morally acceptable than the fact that Girls Aloud consistently reached number one is proof that they're great musicians. Neither is true. You leave Girls Aloud out of this, Syd. Hahaha great post Dan.
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Hoof Hearted 13 Nov 14 3.49pm

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And for every failed company, we have a successful socialist country, don't we? Socialist countries have a wonderful track record and it is a conspiracy the size of the Kennedy assassination merged with Watergate that has prevented all countries being socialist. That and 'right wing press barons'.

Matt, the use of the word "socialist" in your response is your own choice. I believe I merely referred to "parties of the left", of which socialist parties are one of many available flavours. The fact is that their are parties of the left (and I include social democrats in various countries in their number) that do have track records just as palatable, or better, than those on the right (although I accept that "better" rather depends on your perspective. There is no absolutes for either you or me.)

The reason the left has not prevailed in the UK or the USA in recent years/decades is not something I have put down to a conspiracy by the media or anyone else. Others may or may not have done so, but I haven't. A study of political and or social science makes it clear there are many reasons the right have prevailed -- far too many to list in this response. Money, however, is probably close to the root of all of them in one way or another. Radix malorum est cupiditas. It was ever thus.

The fact that the right has had a long run in power is no more proof that right wing politics are effective or morally acceptable than the fact that Girls Aloud consistently reached number one is proof that they're great musicians. Neither is true.

You leave Girls Aloud out of this, Syd.

Hahaha great post Dan.

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Johnny Eagles berlin 13 Nov 14 8.34pm
Quote nickgusset at 13 Nov 2014 2.08pm Quote Kermit8 at 13 Nov 2014 1.50pm If you want to torture yourself by watching the whole thing Matthew be my guest but... you only really need to watch the vid at 45mins in to 50mins in with regard to his NHS stance back then as I already mentioned. I watched it... very good speaker Mr F. I know the meeting was in Devon, but blimey, was there anyone there either a) Non white or b) under 35? He definitely, definitely said healthcare should be through insurance. Edited by nickgusset (13 Nov 2014 2.09pm) Oh my God, he didn't, did he? But... but that's... that's abominable! It's evil!! I mean the idea of funding the health service through a system whereby lots of people collectively make regular payments in exchange for a guarantee of treatment should one of them become ill... what monster could countenance such a notion!!? ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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Quote nickgusset at 13 Nov 2014 2.08pm

Quote Kermit8 at 13 Nov 2014 1.50pm

I watched it... very good speaker Mr F. I know the meeting was in Devon, but blimey, was there anyone there either a) Non white or b) under 35?

He definitely, definitely said healthcare should be through insurance.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Nov 2014 2.09pm)

Oh my God, he didn't, did he? But... but that's... that's abominable! It's evil!! I mean the idea of funding the health service through a system whereby lots of people collectively make regular payments in exchange for a guarantee of treatment should one of them become ill... what monster could countenance such a notion!!?

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Nov 14 8.44pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 13 Nov 2014 8.34pm Quote nickgusset at 13 Nov 2014 2.08pm Quote Kermit8 at 13 Nov 2014 1.50pm If you want to torture yourself by watching the whole thing Matthew be my guest but... you only really need to watch the vid at 45mins in to 50mins in with regard to his NHS stance back then as I already mentioned. I watched it... very good speaker Mr F. I know the meeting was in Devon, but blimey, was there anyone there either a) Non white or b) under 35? He definitely, definitely said healthcare should be through insurance. Edited by nickgusset (13 Nov 2014 2.09pm) Oh my God, he didn't, did he? But... but that's... that's abominable! It's evil!! I mean the idea of funding the health service through a system whereby lots of people collectively make regular payments in exchange for a guarantee of treatment should one of them become ill... what monster could countenance such a notion!!? You've missed the point Freu Johnny. One erstwhile poster claims that Farage wants to renationalise the NHS.
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 13 Nov 2014 8.34pm

Quote nickgusset at 13 Nov 2014 2.08pm

Quote Kermit8 at 13 Nov 2014 1.50pm

I watched it... very good speaker Mr F. I know the meeting was in Devon, but blimey, was there anyone there either a) Non white or b) under 35?

He definitely, definitely said healthcare should be through insurance.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Nov 2014 2.09pm)

You've missed the point Freu Johnny. One erstwhile poster claims that Farage wants to renationalise the NHS.

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Kermit8 Hevon 13 Nov 14 9.39pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 13 Nov 2014 8.34pm Quote nickgusset at 13 Nov 2014 2.08pm Quote Kermit8 at 13 Nov 2014 1.50pm If you want to torture yourself by watching the whole thing Matthew be my guest but... you only really need to watch the vid at 45mins in to 50mins in with regard to his NHS stance back then as I already mentioned. I watched it... very good speaker Mr F. I know the meeting was in Devon, but blimey, was there anyone there either a) Non white or b) under 35? He definitely, definitely said healthcare should be through insurance. Edited by nickgusset (13 Nov 2014 2.09pm) Oh my God, he didn't, did he? But... but that's... that's abominable! It's evil!! I mean the idea of funding the health service through a system whereby lots of people collectively make regular payments in exchange for a guarantee of treatment should one of them become ill... what monster could countenance such a notion!!? Garage has supposedly u-turned on what he said according to latest reports on here and elsewhere. He now doesn't believe it shouldn't be free. Hmmmm... Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 13 Nov 14 9.39pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 13 Nov 2014 8.34pm

Quote nickgusset at 13 Nov 2014 2.08pm

Quote Kermit8 at 13 Nov 2014 1.50pm

I watched it... very good speaker Mr F. I know the meeting was in Devon, but blimey, was there anyone there either a) Non white or b) under 35?

He definitely, definitely said healthcare should be through insurance.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Nov 2014 2.09pm)

Garage has supposedly u-turned on what he said according to latest reports on here and elsewhere.

He now doesn't believe it shouldn't be free.

Hmmmm...

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Nov 14 9.56pm
Our Nige tells channel 4 newsreader women are crap (I'm paraphrasing) after returning to work from maternity leave. [Link] (sorry about crap quality of the vid, I'm sure a better one will turn up) Edited by nickgusset (13 Nov 2014 9.57pm)
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Our Nige tells channel 4 newsreader women are crap (I'm paraphrasing) after returning to work from maternity leave.

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(sorry about crap quality of the vid, I'm sure a better one will turn up)

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matt_himself Matataland 13 Nov 14 10.07pm
I take pure satisfaction from the fact that Kermit and Gusset cannot highlight the benefits of they believe. They are reduced to highlighting what they believe are hypocrisy from UKIP. They are intellectually and morally bankrupt. But this appears to have passed them by. Therefore chaps, what is the next big idea and concept? What? Is? The? Next? Idea? And? Concept? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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I take pure satisfaction from the fact that Kermit and Gusset cannot highlight the benefits of they believe. They are reduced to highlighting what they believe are hypocrisy from UKIP.

They are intellectually and morally bankrupt. But this appears to have passed them by.

Therefore chaps, what is the next big idea and concept? What? Is? The? Next? Idea? And? Concept?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Nov 14 11.42pm
Matt, you are ranting incoherently now. I think you need a lie down. Also, you've jabbed the question mark key so hard in a fit of rage I fear it may be stuck. It's good to see that you've finally acknowledged that UKIP are morally bankrupt though. Chapeau for your change of heart. Edited by nickgusset (13 Nov 2014 11.45pm)
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Matt, you are ranting incoherently now. I think you need a lie down. Also, you've jabbed the question mark key so hard in a fit of rage I fear it may be stuck.

It's good to see that you've finally acknowledged that UKIP are morally bankrupt though. Chapeau for your change of heart.

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