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chateauferret 20 Dec 18 7.36pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
Or move to Scotland. Well you have to be normally resident here so you can't just get off the 'bus and apply. That said, I didn't exactly have to put on a kilt, do the Gay Gordons and say "Hoots mon where's ma sporran".
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Midlands Eagle 20 Dec 18 7.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
It was actually the Royal College of Nursing that were desperate to increase the status of nurses that pushed it out of reach of so many eminently suitable people. My wife took the nursing degree course comparatively late in life and whilst she sailed through every course to do with nursing she struggled badly on GCE maths
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Stirlingsays 20 Dec 18 7.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
It was actually the Royal College of Nursing that were desperate to increase the status of nurses that pushed it out of reach of so many eminently suitable people. My wife took the nursing degree course comparatively late in life and whilst she sailed through every course to do with nursing she struggled badly on GCE maths Yep, that's always been very important when considering a new nurse....To sit there and wonder just how good her knowledge of pythagorean theorem is. The institutions are led by elitist twerps. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Dec 2018 7.51pm)
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Stirlingsays 20 Dec 18 8.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't know where you get the idea that the Remain campaign was state funded. Both campaigns received equal state support but the bulk of the money came from rich businessmen on both sides, with the Leave campaign raising more. To his shame one of the biggest Leave donors was Jeremy Hosking. It's true that the government sent out leaflets setting out the basic options on both sides and recommending that we stay, but this was not part of the campaign. I saw many more outright lies from Leave. Remain had no need to lie because what the EU does was there for all to see, although many chose not to look. All they did was make forecasts, which can be right or wrong, but cannot be lies. Remain had a much harder task, in that they had to defend the status quo rather paint a fanciful picture of a golden tomorrow. Fast forward to today and we see a much better informed electorate who are now aware both of the benefits of the EU and the consequences of leaving. It is the consequences of leaving, that have been laid out in their stark reality, which really makes the difference. People no longer see greener grass over the hedge. They can see a quagmire full of pitfalls and uncertainties. That there are some, you included I guess, who believe that the pain of a declining economy and an uncertain future, is worth it and that our "independence" is priceless. I don't. I think that is outdated thinking and that the future of all countries like ours is best served by joining together in organisations like the EU. Coming out and re-assessing in 10 years is a cop out when everyone knows that we would be much worse off by then. Even the most optimistic Brexiteer accepts that. You must either permanently accept that the pain is a price worth paying or stay in. Why go through 10 years of decline to then re-enter on what would almost certainly be worse terms? Well, we obviously disagree, but those are some beautiful paragraphs. So you get a festive nod of appreciation anyway.
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.TUX. 20 Dec 18 8.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't know where you get the idea that the Remain campaign was state funded. Both campaigns received equal state support but the bulk of the money came from rich businessmen on both sides, with the Leave campaign raising more. To his shame one of the biggest Leave donors was Jeremy Hosking. It's true that the government sent out leaflets setting out the basic options on both sides and recommending that we stay, but this was not part of the campaign. I saw many more outright lies from Leave. Remain had no need to lie because what the EU does was there for all to see, although many chose not to look. All they did was make forecasts, which can be right or wrong, but cannot be lies. Remain had a much harder task, in that they had to defend the status quo rather paint a fanciful picture of a golden tomorrow. Fast forward to today and we see a much better informed electorate who are now aware both of the benefits of the EU and the consequences of leaving. It is the consequences of leaving, that have been laid out in their stark reality, which really makes the difference. People no longer see greener grass over the hedge. They can see a quagmire full of pitfalls and uncertainties. That there are some, you included I guess, who believe that the pain of a declining economy and an uncertain future, is worth it and that our "independence" is priceless. I don't. I think that is outdated thinking and that the future of all countries like ours is best served by joining together in organisations like the EU. Coming out and re-assessing in 10 years is a cop out when everyone knows that we would be much worse off by then. Even the most optimistic Brexiteer accepts that. You must either permanently accept that the pain is a price worth paying or stay in. Why go through 10 years of decline to then re-enter on what would almost certainly be worse terms? Dear Wisbech,
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steve1984 20 Dec 18 9.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, that's always been very important when considering a new nurse....To sit there and wonder just how good her knowledge of pythagorean theorem is. The institutions are led by elitist twerps. It could be argued that whilst your knowledge of the GCSE Maths syllabus is sound, your knowledge of nursing is basically zilch.
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silvertop Portishead 20 Dec 18 9.26pm | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Dear Wisbech, Something of a non sequiter. Unless you are honestly saying that the reason why our offspring are poorer than us is because and only because we are in the eu. If so, kindly expand,. Honestly, I am dying to understand...
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steve1984 20 Dec 18 9.27pm | |
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You leavers must be delighted to know that Vladimir Putin agrees with you. Shame it isn't the only thing you have in common.
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steve1984 20 Dec 18 9.29pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Something of a non sequiter. Unless you are honestly saying that the reason why our offspring are poorer than us is because and only because we are in the eu. If so, kindly expand,. Honestly, I am dying to understand... Because it could just as easily be said that without the EU they'd be even poorer.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Dec 18 9.38pm | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Dear Wisbech, I neither see the point of your question, or really understand it. My children both have different experiences, which I won't discuss here. Both are also quite different to my own, so comparisons are meaningless. We are all though enthusiastic supporters of the EU project. Pension provision has been a subject of concern for decades, and has nothing to do with the EU. Our longer lives mean we either need to extend our working time or change the way we fund retirement. We are actually doing a bit of both. Like many I started off with a final salary pension but, unlike the public sector, had to accept a change to a money purchase scheme or see the fund become unsustainable. In time the public sector will have to face this too. It won't be popular.
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.TUX. 20 Dec 18 9.51pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Something of a non sequiter. Unless you are honestly saying that the reason why our offspring are poorer than us is because and only because we are in the eu. If so, kindly expand,. Honestly, I am dying to understand... My point is that why so many people suddenly become concerned about the future when the financial dynamics have been against us ALL for decades now.
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.TUX. 20 Dec 18 9.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I neither see the point of your question, or really understand it. My children both have different experiences, which I won't discuss here. Both are also quite different to my own, so comparisons are meaningless. We are all though enthusiastic supporters of the EU project. Pension provision has been a subject of concern for decades, and has nothing to do with the EU. Our longer lives mean we either need to extend our working time or change the way we fund retirement. We are actually doing a bit of both. Like many I started off with a final salary pension but, unlike the public sector, had to accept a change to a money purchase scheme or see the fund become unsustainable. In time the public sector will have to face this too. It won't be popular. That is the constant problem, you never ask yourself 'why'. Sadly you're not alone.
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