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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Dec 18 5.01pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

None of that nonsense when Hattie Jacques was Matron.

Good old Hattie Jacques, now that's a role model for women that's sadly gone out of style.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Dec 18 5.06pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Not the Hattie Jacques I remember.

She was the almoner who collared Tony Hancock and Sid James who thought there stay in hospital was free.

Had forgotten to buy their national insurance stamps.

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 20 Dec 18 5.06pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I thought at one time the government was going to introduce a no fault compensation scheme. It takes years to settle these cases and the only people who get rich are the lawyers on both sides. It would be better to just agree someone has lost a leg or brain damage and compensate for their loss based on a formula. I think that's how the criminal compensation scheme works my mate got 18k when he was run over and broke his leg.

There was a case recently where a mental health patient jumped off of a roof and the NHS had to pay him £3m because he was able to do so. Plus £165-180K per year for life.


Edited by Stuk (20 Dec 2018 5.08pm)

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 20 Dec 18 5.25pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

The BBC interviewed a woman last week who claimed to have three jobs yet still needed to visit foodbanks as she couldn't make ends meet.

She was being interviewed walking along the pavement holding a lighted cigarette

This is the big problem in this country

The fact people get angry not about the fact the 6th richest country in world has millions in poverty and people resort to food banks but instead prefer to demonise those at the bottom who are victims of the inequality and wealth gap because they are easy targets or buy into tabloid stereotyping. Same with brexit and immigrants, get the mob to blame each other then you continue mugging them off. And that's where we are today. At least the French are not fooled by this, maybe one day Brits will realise the same

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Dec 18 5.35pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

This is the big problem in this country

The fact people get angry not about the fact the 6th richest country in world has millions in poverty and people resort to food banks but instead prefer to demonise those at the bottom who are victims of the inequality and wealth gap because they are easy targets or buy into tabloid stereotyping. Same with brexit and immigrants, get the mob to blame each other then you continue mugging them off. And that's where we are today. At least the French are not fooled by this, maybe one day Brits will realise the same

The French protest became they had a revolution not that long ago and its stayed in their culture.

The French welfare system is so over bloated it’s absolutely ridiculous. Perks for parents, huge payments if you’re made redundant, a la carte meals for all school children. It all has to be paid for and they’re feeling their rising debt burden and of course that has to be paid for somehow.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Dec 18 5.36pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Well, like the leavers had to do for generations they wait.

You can hope that the arses in charge aren't as terrible to you, as they were to people like me.....Perhaps you won't get to wait forty years.

If remain had won by the same margin....I wonder what your attitude would have been to the pressure for another vote right away...Mmmm.


Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2018 1.44pm)

That is a typically unreasonable question from the hard Brexit lobby. If Remain had won then nothing would have changed. There would be continuing moans from the anti EU types but as we have had decades of experience of membership there was nothing revolutionary to learn. What the last 2 years have taught us is that not only was the Leave campaign build on a web of lies but that the full consequences of coming out were not even partly understood. That's why there is a clamour for a new vote. The first vote wasn't clear-cut at all, it was very close, so when the impact of the Russian interference is factored in it becomes questionable that Leave really won and is a strong case on it's own merits for scrapping the result and rerunning it. Even if that argument is not enough for you, then any new referendum would not be a straightforward repeat of the first, as an attempt to reverse a decision by people unhappy with it. It would be an entirely new question which would ask the people to express their view on how they feel NOW, when they know so much more about the real consequences. Politics is never set in stone and we should always be prepared to react to events. What is lacking is the leadership to achieve this. In my personal view no referendum is needed. We elect MPs to represent us and take decisions on our behalf. If it is their collective opinion that, in view of everything we now know, that it would be in the UK's interest to remain in the EU, then they should simply decide to do so. I would rather have the MPs decide than throw my future to the winds of chance, blown by FB, Rupert Murdoch, Steve Bannon and Russian trolls. That's what our democracy truly demands. Referendums, press barons and social media have no role in it.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Dec 18 5.36pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Talk about whoosh!

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Dec 18 5.39pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

ffs

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Dec 18 5.44pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That is a typically unreasonable question from the hard Brexit lobby. If Remain had won then nothing would have changed. There would be continuing moans from the anti EU types but as we have had decades of experience of membership there was nothing revolutionary to learn. What the last 2 years have taught us is that not only was the Leave campaign build on a web of lies but that the full consequences of coming out were not even partly understood. That's why there is a clamour for a new vote. The first vote wasn't clear-cut at all, it was very close, so when the impact of the Russian interference is factored in it becomes questionable that Leave really won and is a strong case on it's own merits for scrapping the result and rerunning it. Even if that argument is not enough for you, then any new referendum would not be a straightforward repeat of the first, as an attempt to reverse a decision by people unhappy with it. It would be an entirely new question which would ask the people to express their view on how they feel NOW, when they know so much more about the real consequences. Politics is never set in stone and we should always be prepared to react to events. What is lacking is the leadership to achieve this. In my personal view no referendum is needed. We elect MPs to represent us and take decisions on our behalf. If it is their collective opinion that, in view of everything we now know, that it would be in the UK's interest to remain in the EU, then they should simply decide to do so. I would rather have the MPs decide than throw my future to the winds of chance, blown by FB, Rupert Murdoch, Steve Bannon and Russian trolls. That's what our democracy truly demands. Referendums, press barons and social media have no role in it.

Blimey....paragraphs would be nice.

To address some of your points. Both campaigns contained lies. However, only one campaign was state funded, so complaints about funding seem very establishment and one eyed to me, certainly not based upon the idea that both campaigns should have had equal access or funding....because they didn't.

I would support another vote over how Brexit has done once it's had a fair chance, say ten years. At the moment the country hasn't had what it voted for implemented. You want a vote before Brexit has happened to stop it occurring in the first place.....When the reality is that we haven't had Brexit yet.

I disagree with you over referendums. I think they are a valuable guide to the pulse of the nation on controversial single topics. Switzerland uses them far more often and does very well for itself.

I also don't quite have your faith in the effectiveness of our representative democracy.....However, I recognise that its alternatives also have valid criticisms.


Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Dec 2018 5.46pm)

 


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steve1984 20 Dec 18 5.50pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Surely the issue, if we take nursing as an example, is the pay and rewards are so low and the effects of austerity and public sector pay freezes means not enough people coming into it and has nothing to do with brexit

Even after 12 years of freedom of movement there are approximately 10,000 unfilled nursing positions in the NHS. So why haven't British workers seen the opportunity and trained to become nurses? Clearly it isn't because immigrants have taken all the jobs on the cheap.

There's also a 20% shortfall in staff in the hospitality industry. Chefs wake up after a night on the piss and don't show up to work, they can walk into another job right away. I only had a British person apply for a chef's job once. Without letting me know he failed to show up for an interview. He then called me up the next day to ask for another appointment.

Why isn't there a queue round the block of young British people wanting to work in the restaurant, hotel trade? There are plenty of vacancies.

Edited by steve1984 (20 Dec 2018 5.52pm)

 

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Tawny Flag Croydon 20 Dec 18 5.58pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Even after 12 years of freedom of movement there are approximately 10,000 unfilled nursing positions in the NHS. So why haven't British workers seen the opportunity and trained to become nurses? Clearly it isn't because immigrants have taken all the jobs on the cheap.

There's also a 20% shortfall in staff in the hospitality industry. Chefs wake up after a night on the piss and don't show up to work, they can walk into another job right away. I only had a British person apply for a chef's job once. Without letting me know he failed to show up for an interview. He then called me up the next day to ask for another appointment.

Why isn't there a queue round the block of young British people wanting to work in the restaurant, hotel trade? There are plenty of vacancies.

Edited by steve1984 (20 Dec 2018 5.52pm)

Along these lines, I can't be the only one to note that as EU immigrant numbers come down, the government has seriously ramped up non EU numbers. This 'tens of thousands' number gets bandied around by the government for years on end, but none of signs suggest that's going to happen regardless of how Brexit pans out.

Edited by Tawny (20 Dec 2018 6.03pm)

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 20 Dec 18 6.04pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steve1984

Even after 12 years of freedom of movement there are approximately 10,000 unfilled nursing positions in the NHS. So why haven't British workers seen the opportunity and trained to become nurses? Clearly it isn't because immigrants have taken all the jobs on the cheap.

I answered that in part earlier on. Part of the problem is that the Royal College of Nursing wanted to increase the status of nursing so kept pushing up the entrance qualifications so that many of those with an aptitude for nursing were ruled out

 

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