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 Mapletree  Croydon 20 Dec 18 11.10am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
If we weren’t importing nurses we would have to overhaul the nurse training approach, so Brexit and anything immigration related is a factor in nursing and every other industry we’ve turned the other way to. True So how long do you think it will take to turn the whole thing around, get more Nurses into the system and prevent the outflow? Before answering, take a look at how many people there are currently studying nursing, how large the shortfall is, current staff turnover and how many places are actually available to study in the UK. Edited by Mapletree (20 Dec 2018 11.11am)
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| Midlands Eagle 20 Dec 18 11.13am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Surely the issue, if we take nursing as an example, is the pay and rewards are so low and the effects of austerity and public sector pay freezes means not enough people coming into it and has nothing to do with brexit The reason that not enough Brits go into nursing now is because the Royal College of Nursing have insisted that entry to the profession is now degree level and the bursaries that used to be available to student nurses have now been withdrawn. Although the BBC can always find a Spanish nurse for their news items the majority of overseas nurses come from Asia where the educational requirements to entering the profession are less than in the UK
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Dec 18 11.23am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
True So how long do you think it will take to turn the whole thing around, get more Nurses into the system and prevent the outflow? Before answering, take a look at how many people there are currently studying nursing, how large the shortfall is, current staff turnover and how many places are actually available to study in the UK. Edited by Mapletree (20 Dec 2018 11.11am) Or we never have tackle it or anything else.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Dec 18 11.30am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The reason that not enough Brits go into nursing now is because the Royal College of Nursing have insisted that entry to the profession is now degree level and the bursaries that used to be available to student nurses have now been withdrawn. Although the BBC can always find a Spanish nurse for their news items the majority of overseas nurses come from Asia where the educational requirements to entering the profession are less than in the UK That sounds smart.
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| Mapletree Croydon 20 Dec 18 11.36am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The reason that not enough Brits go into nursing now is because the Royal College of Nursing have insisted that entry to the profession is now degree level and the bursaries that used to be available to student nurses have now been withdrawn. Although the BBC can always find a Spanish nurse for their news items the majority of overseas nurses come from Asia where the educational requirements to entering the profession are less than in the UK Not true You cannot get a work permit without the appropriate Degree. In the case of Mental Health Nursing you also need a secondary Degree but the RCN refuses to recognise most of them. That is why this is a particular area of shortage The RCN has purposefully set the bar higher for overseas nurses. I can provide you with chapter and verse on Nurses from Africa, the Philippines, India and pakistan if you would like. Ex colonial countries get treated better. I used to import from Trinidad in the main. All Degree qualified of course and online tests are required prior to entry and then practical tests within six months of entering the UK. Very hard, most people fail first time. The EU is not subject to this, hence recent dependency has been higher on EU hiring Edited by Mapletree (20 Dec 2018 11.40am)
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| Mapletree Croydon 20 Dec 18 11.50am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Or we never have tackle it or anything else. Well, Brexit won't cause us to tackle it. We just swop EU for other countries' Nurses Yes, we absolutely should have more indigenous Nurses but even if the training were free the working conditions and pay would not attract the required numbers.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 20 Dec 18 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The reason that not enough Brits go into nursing now is because the Royal College of Nursing have insisted that entry to the profession is now degree level and the bursaries that used to be available to student nurses have now been withdrawn. Although the BBC can always find a Spanish nurse for their news items the majority of overseas nurses come from Asia where the educational requirements to entering the profession are less than in the UK In my experience, most of the nursing donkey work is carried out by nursing auxiliaries (if they're still called that) where I believe the academic bar is somewhat lower. I found it rare to see more than one actual nurse on duty on a ward at any given time.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Dec 18 12.05pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
In my experience, most of the nursing donkey work is carried out by nursing auxiliaries (if they're still called that) where I believe the academic bar is somewhat lower. I found it rare to see more than one actual nurse on duty on a ward at any given time. When I was in East Surrey a month ago tradesmen were setting up a department office for this with the sign attached to the wall in the corridor.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Dec 18 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Well, Brexit won't cause us to tackle it. We just swop EU for other countries' Nurses Yes, we absolutely should have more indigenous Nurses but even if the training were free the working conditions and pay would not attract the required numbers. Address pay as well. With the help of politicians we’re destroying this country.
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Pussay Patrol  20 Dec 18 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Well, Brexit won't cause us to tackle it. We just swop EU for other countries' Nurses Yes, we absolutely should have more indigenous Nurses but even if the training were free the working conditions and pay would not attract the required numbers. Yep, that means increase the pay, how long before national insurance goes up? Chancellor will have the perfect get out, blame brexit, he'll have a free pass to put everything up
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Dec 18 12.11pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Yep, that means increase the pay, how long before national insurance goes up? Chancellor will have the perfect get out, blame brexit, he'll have a free pass to put everything up Living life isn’t free. These things cost. Substitute those brand names in your shopping, the food thrown out or those unnecessary takeaways for a few pounds in extra direct taxes. Even a lot of people struggling can make cut backs on non essential purchases and those who really are in need I feel for because others are allowed to play and milk the system. I suppose the eventual outcome will be survival of the healthiest/physically able if this is left to carry on.
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| Mapletree Croydon 20 Dec 18 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
In my experience, most of the nursing donkey work is carried out by nursing auxiliaries (if they're still called that) where I believe the academic bar is somewhat lower. I found it rare to see more than one actual nurse on duty on a ward at any given time. I have no problem with that, para professionals are a growth area in most industries But you still need nurses. For example they can give injections and are required to maintain controls. And they are in dreadfully short supply, so really poor nurses are constantly recycled via the agencies. There is no choice for the employers.
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