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 steeleye20  Croydon 19 Dec 18 12.51pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
You seem to be focussed solely on the economic benefits or otherwise of Brexit whereas most Brexiteers voted that way for reasons other than economic ones. Just for you though here are two articles detailing the economic benefits of leaving the EU. One from the right wing Telegraph and the other from the left wing Guardian
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 19 Dec 18 12.56pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The arguments remain unchanged.
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| steve1984 19 Dec 18 1.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Say tata Is that the same tata that will be investing in new engine technology for Land Rover / Jaguar somewhere other than the UK?
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| dannyboy1978 19 Dec 18 1.25pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Oh great another lemming sold on the great immigration lie OK so if the government [Link] [Link] bank of England [Link] major [Link] and leaders of big companies are all wrong, tell us how the UK will benefit economically from April 2019? Just enjoy your wages going up, I am !!! Edited by dannyboy1978 (19 Dec 2018 1.26pm)
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| Painter Croydon 19 Dec 18 1.37pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Was gonna say the same thing. An old fart who only has negative things to say, just more evidence of how backward people are. Does not mention one positive thing about Brexit and how that improves the country It’s very simple the country was asked to vote for what they wanted and they did. They wanted to remain independent in charge of their own destiny, not ruled by faceless unelected bureaucrats with no recourse to change.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 19 Dec 18 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by Painter
It’s very simple the country was asked to vote for what they wanted and they did. They wanted to remain independent in charge of their own destiny, not ruled by faceless unelected bureaucrats with no recourse to change. You have obviously not read Mrs May's deal !! Independence? Remainers do not support the idea of being a vassal state to the EU !!!!!!!!
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| dannyboy1978 19 Dec 18 1.50pm |
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For all the remain Lemmings out there 2015 2017
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| dannyboy1978 19 Dec 18 2.12pm |
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For every £2 we send to Brussels, we get £1 back and it comes back with a tag on it on what we have to spend it on.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 19 Dec 18 2.27pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
For every £2 we send to Brussels, we get £1 back and it comes back with a tag on it on what we have to spend it on. Er, have you read it? From your own article... 'While Gisela Stuart’s claim that for every £2 put in, the UK gets £1 is partially true, if based on 2014 figures – and the amount does vary year by year. Michael Gove’s reassertion that the UK is paying £350m a week to Brussels omits the rebate the UK receives on its contribution to the EU budget. His assertion that our contribution is going to go up and up and up is contradicted by research from the Office of Budget Responsibility. Beyond this, such a focus on these numbers fails to put into context the small scale of EU budget transfers, when compared with UK national expenditure. UK total managed expenditure in 2013-14 was £714 billion, and in 2014-15 £732 billion. So the UK’s net contribution to the EU budget is thus less than 1.5% of total government spending.' The fact check broadly supports the claim that in the past, the UK has received £1 for every £2 sent to Brussels. But most other analysts have concluded that this – and the claim that the UK sends £350m a week to Brussels – is not the best way to present the figures. The £19 billion figure used to make these calculations does not take account of the rebate negotiated by Margaret Thatcher in 1984. As the Daily Telegraph put it: “In fact, the rebate is effectively deducted at source, and so not actually sent to the EU at all.” Therefore, the UK actual transfer to Brussels in 2014 was not £19.234 billion but £14.346 billion, according to a House of Commons briefing published in February 2016. Even if one accepts that the receipts from the EU were around £9.2 billion (which excludes some payments not passing through the Treasury) the UK receives £1 for every £1.55 it actually pays.' So not quite as cut and dry as you obviously thought it was when googling that and choosing the article based only on its headline (which is why I assumed you posted it) rather than actually reading the article. Also, you are throwing in a (now false) statement without placing it in context. Of course getting only £1 back for £1.55 of expenditure (the real amount) sounds like a bad deal on the surface, but this is not only about financials – there are a lot more metrics that you'd have to include into the equation to really, properly make a decision on whether being part of the EU is good value or not, rather than relying on a purely financial argument, which, I hasten to add it is all a little cliched now. It's even more amusing that the £1/£2 is debunked within the article itself, along with several other corrections related to over inflated claims made by the leave team. Amusing, really.
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| Painter Croydon 19 Dec 18 2.37pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
You have obviously not read Mrs May's deal !! Independence? Remainers do not support the idea of being a vassal state to the EU !!!!!!!! Not quite sure what remainers want, but the vote was to leave the EU in total. This is obviously not what the political class wanted or expected to have to deliver. They have been desperately trying to water down ever since.
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Pussay Patrol  19 Dec 18 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by Painter
It’s very simple the country was asked to vote for what they wanted and they did. They wanted to remain independent in charge of their own destiny, not ruled by faceless unelected bureaucrats with no recourse to change. No, you couldn't be more wrong Your points are pre 2016, 5-10 years old, just political sloganeering. That is the past. Brexit has happened and we need to assess our economy in the aftermath and our future direction. No one gives a toss about bureaucrats or shackles when the cost of a pint of milk goes up and your pension is worth less
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Dec 18 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Er, have you read it? From your own article... 'While Gisela Stuart’s claim that for every £2 put in, the UK gets £1 is partially true, if based on 2014 figures – and the amount does vary year by year. Michael Gove’s reassertion that the UK is paying £350m a week to Brussels omits the rebate the UK receives on its contribution to the EU budget. His assertion that our contribution is going to go up and up and up is contradicted by research from the Office of Budget Responsibility. Beyond this, such a focus on these numbers fails to put into context the small scale of EU budget transfers, when compared with UK national expenditure. UK total managed expenditure in 2013-14 was £714 billion, and in 2014-15 £732 billion. So the UK’s net contribution to the EU budget is thus less than 1.5% of total government spending.' The fact check broadly supports the claim that in the past, the UK has received £1 for every £2 sent to Brussels. But most other analysts have concluded that this – and the claim that the UK sends £350m a week to Brussels – is not the best way to present the figures. The £19 billion figure used to make these calculations does not take account of the rebate negotiated by Margaret Thatcher in 1984. As the Daily Telegraph put it: “In fact, the rebate is effectively deducted at source, and so not actually sent to the EU at all.” Therefore, the UK actual transfer to Brussels in 2014 was not £19.234 billion but £14.346 billion, according to a House of Commons briefing published in February 2016. Even if one accepts that the receipts from the EU were around £9.2 billion (which excludes some payments not passing through the Treasury) the UK receives £1 for every £1.55 it actually pays.' So not quite as cut and dry as you obviously thought it was when googling that and choosing the article based only on its headline (which is why I assumed you posted it) rather than actually reading the article. Also, you are throwing in a (now false) statement without placing it in context. Of course getting only £1 back for £1.55 of expenditure (the real amount) sounds like a bad deal on the surface, but this is not only about financials – there are a lot more metrics that you'd have to include into the equation to really, properly make a decision on whether being part of the EU is good value or not, rather than relying on a purely financial argument, which, I hasten to add it is all a little cliched now. It's even more amusing that the £1/£2 is debunked within the article itself, along with several other corrections related to over inflated claims made by the leave team. Amusing, really. Several times the UK rebate has been reduced or negotiated away. Britain has clearly spent a lot more on the EU than it has ever got back - or ever will. That is the main point. Would you carry on paying into something you always lose on for no apparent reason other than it to be spent by others?
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