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chateauferret Flag 19 Dec 18 3.10am

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed that was my reason. We cannot predict what a future government of any colour will do all we can say is if they screw it up we can sack them and that is what I voted for. It is not about rainbows and unicorns just the right to dismiss or approve a government. A government that is in full control of the political and economic levers and if they fail it is their responsibility and not some supranational organisation that I cannot vote out.

I'm sure this is how many saw it. It was the same at the Scottish Independene referendum. But I think that we will end up with essentially the same commitments to other member states and wheteher they are called "membership" or "agreements" is just semantics really. The economic, political and geographical forces that work between the nations will still be there. This is pretty much how it is with Norway, Switzerland and Iceland.

For example, all EU Member States have to report the quantities, species, locations and times of every fish they catch in the sea and/or which they land at their ports to the EU and keep within agreed quotas. But in fact every nation in the world makes such reports to a central authority somewhere, unless it neither catches fish nor lands them. The only difference between the reports Scotland sends and those which Norway and Iceland send is the format of the XML file they send containing the data. And the only reason Switzerland doesn't do it is because it is land-locked.

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Rubin Flag 19 Dec 18 7.37am Send a Private Message to Rubin Add Rubin as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

As long as you lot keep your tinfoil on your heads I think you’ll all be OK.

Merkel joins Macron in calling for EU army to complement NATO (Politico):

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Europe finally pulls the trigger on a military force (Guardian):

[Link]


I'll take advantage of my freedom to post headlines and links to news items, before the EU devised articles 11 and 13 are bought in.

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 19 Dec 18 9.13am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

It's a video about you and your lot who are negative, PMSL .
Try this one if you need cheering up
[Link]

Edited by dannyboy1978 (18 Dec 2018 10.42pm)

So everything about the EU is crap according to him, how does Britain improve after brexit? Is there a 2nd video that explains this?

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 19 Dec 18 9.23am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

When the Government is forced to ask for an extension to the timing of Brexit during January, for how long will it ask?

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 19 Dec 18 10.51am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

When the Government is forced to ask for an extension to the timing of Brexit during January, for how long will it ask?

For as long as the EU war does.

Still we have dad's Army on stand-by.

 

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dannyboy1978 Flag 19 Dec 18 11.03am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So everything about the EU is crap according to him, how does Britain improve after brexit? Is there a 2nd video that explains this?

No not everything but The decision by the electorate was to Leave the European Union which we won by a majority of 1,269,501 votes (3.78%) over those who had voted in favour of Remain.

People have just had enough of the social pressures of mass immigration and low and be hold their concerns were proved right.

"UK wages rise faster than expected amid lowest jobless rate in 40 years"

Falling number of EU workers in Britain compounds businesses recruitment woes (pushes wages up) One would say Labour would love this but they started mass immigration so they don't truly give a damn!!

[Link]

We have record debt lack of infrastructure, less cops, less hospital beds, bigger classes. The poor have had enough of being told immigration is wonderful and amazing because it isn't. I really don't care if coffee shops close down and if we need to pay hospital cleaners more then take it from the money we used to send to the EU or out the foreign aid budget. Cut EU immigration and what happens the people get more money. We are the people we come first, the government serve us, and they are our slaves!

According you lot, we are going to fall of a cliff come March! Who are the negatives one's, who are the ones with no fight or spirit YOU the remoaners.

Have some good news and cheer up.
[Link]


Edited by dannyboy1978 (19 Dec 2018 11.05am)

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Dec 18 11.06am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Here's some Brexit scaremongering for you: end of the world stuff.

[Link]

 


Red and Blue Army!

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Pussay Patrol Flag 19 Dec 18 12.21pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

No not everything but The decision by the electorate was to Leave the European Union which we won by a majority of 1,269,501 votes (3.78%) over those who had voted in favour of Remain.

People have just had enough of the social pressures of mass immigration and low and be hold their concerns were proved right.

"UK wages rise faster than expected amid lowest jobless rate in 40 years"

Falling number of EU workers in Britain compounds businesses recruitment woes (pushes wages up) One would say Labour would love this but they started mass immigration so they don't truly give a damn!!

[Link]

We have record debt lack of infrastructure, less cops, less hospital beds, bigger classes. The poor have had enough of being told immigration is wonderful and amazing because it isn't. I really don't care if coffee shops close down and if we need to pay hospital cleaners more then take it from the money we used to send to the EU or out the foreign aid budget. Cut EU immigration and what happens the people get more money. We are the people we come first, the government serve us, and they are our slaves!

According you lot, we are going to fall of a cliff come March! Who are the negatives one's, who are the ones with no fight or spirit YOU the remoaners.

Have some good news and cheer up.
[Link]


Edited by dannyboy1978 (19 Dec 2018 11.05am)

Oh great another lemming sold on the great immigration lie

OK so if the government, bank of England, major economists and leaders of big companies are all wrong, tell us how the UK will benefit economically from April 2019?

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 19 Dec 18 12.32pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

No not everything but The decision by the electorate was to Leave the European Union which we won by a majority of 1,269,501 votes (3.78%) over those who had voted in favour of Remain.

People have just had enough of the social pressures of mass immigration and low and be hold their concerns were proved right.

"UK wages rise faster than expected amid lowest jobless rate in 40 years"

Falling number of EU workers in Britain compounds businesses recruitment woes (pushes wages up) One would say Labour would love this but they started mass immigration so they don't truly give a damn!!

[Link]

We have record debt lack of infrastructure, less cops, less hospital beds, bigger classes. The poor have had enough of being told immigration is wonderful and amazing because it isn't. I really don't care if coffee shops close down and if we need to pay hospital cleaners more then take it from the money we used to send to the EU or out the foreign aid budget. Cut EU immigration and what happens the people get more money. We are the people we come first, the government serve us, and they are our slaves!

According you lot, we are going to fall of a cliff come March! Who are the negatives one's, who are the ones with no fight or spirit YOU the remoaners.

Have some good news and cheer up.
[Link]


Edited by dannyboy1978 (19 Dec 2018 11.05am)

As I recall contemporaneously we had an increase in the number of people that are unemployed.

This is not as simple as it may appear.

What is most important is matching skills to roles. Sadly many EU citizens currently leaving the UK are in jobs for which the UK does not have sufficient skilled people, nor could have for many years to come even if it ramped up its education processes and increased the minimum wage.

Which is why the Government is being careful not to state any specific figures for immigration, we shall have to look more broadly than the EU from now on.

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 19 Dec 18 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Oh great another lemming sold on the great immigration lie

OK so if the government, bank of England, major economists and leaders of big companies are all wrong, tell us how the UK will benefit economically from April 2019?

You seem to be focussed solely on the economic benefits or otherwise of Brexit whereas most Brexiteers voted that way for reasons other than economic ones.

Just for you though here are two articles detailing the economic benefits of leaving the EU. One from the right wing Telegraph and the other from the left wing Guardian

[Link]

[Link]

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 19 Dec 18 12.48pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You seem to be focussed solely on the economic benefits or otherwise of Brexit whereas most Brexiteers voted that way for reasons other than economic ones.

Just for you though here are two articles detailing the economic benefits of leaving the EU. One from the right wing Telegraph and the other from the left wing Guardian

[Link]

[Link]

Two points

First, again absolutely no proof or financial analysis, especially in the Guardian article. There is some apparent calculation in the Telegraph article but its all supposition, no robust business case. And some highly dubious propositions.

Second, following on from my earlier points, low priced food has another side to it. Say tata to much of our farming industry as we currently know it and say hello to a massive negative change in the UK environment.

Edited by Mapletree (19 Dec 2018 12.52pm)

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Dec 18 12.49pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

As I recall contemporaneously we had an increase in the number of people that are unemployed.

This is not as simple as it may appear.

What is most important is matching skills to roles. Sadly many EU citizens currently leaving the UK are in jobs for which the UK does not have sufficient skilled people, nor could have for many years to come even if it ramped up its education processes and increased the minimum wage.

Which is why the Government is being careful not to state any specific figures for immigration, we shall have to look more broadly than the EU from now on.

And that is the correct policy. I have never wanted a dogmatic approach to immigration it should be flexible.
If we need skilled people from aboard in the short term that is fine. The key difference is today someone can arrive from the EU with no money and no job skills and that is our problem meanwhile a doctor from India has to jump through all sorts of hoops.

What I hope and expect this policy to do is to allow business and public services to argue their case with the government of the day. I would hope that the government would restrict the number of low paid jobs like coffee shops whilst being more flexible to jobs such as care home staff.

I don't expect it to be a perfect system and they will get it wrong from time to time. However having control means we can amend it.

Edited by Badger11 (19 Dec 2018 12.51pm)

 


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